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Old 10-03-14, 01:14
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Petr, that is the style of construction of the British carriers.
The engine bed rails are made from "channel" and have sharp outer edges. The Canadian bed rails have a rolled edge and are pressed from flat steel.
This difference makes any carrier immediately identifiable, as to it's origin.
As Michael R earlier said "British built"
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Old 12-03-14, 14:07
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Lynn:
Nigel Watson: Few details of the back shelf (I suppose its original) and Stacey attachement mounting. Hope you will find it interesting.
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Old 12-03-14, 15:09
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Petr, does the top (rear) deck fit, up the other way, with all the bolt holes lining up? Is it original?
My AOP has a deck that is higher than a MkI Universal, and so has no need for the mesh guards over the exhaust pipes.
The two square holes in the rear hull plate have a duct around them that turns the hot air through 90 degrees and goes up through the rear deck like a chimney.
This duct is sealed against the rear hull plate and against the underside of the rear deck. It would allow the carrier to wade deeper than the earlier U.C.
I have built mine wrong as it is only in the last few years that I have learned this.
If you have Nigels books (Very good books!) you will be able to check out the rear of the AOPMkIIIW
Do you have the data plate for her? If so what is the T number?
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Old 12-03-14, 16:28
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Lynn, as far as I know, all holes fits each other and are lined up (its not placed properly on the picture No.4). I would still say it's original.
There are no square holes in the rear hull plate (see pic.)
No unfortunately I don't have these books yet, because Vol.2 (which would be most useful for me I guess) is not available now. But checking ebay etc. regulary
She's totaly "mystery lady" - no data plate, no T number, there are even no hull numbers present (on the common places). Definitely was built in late 44-45, most parts have a code "BMB" on it (if it can say something) and that's all...
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Old 12-03-14, 21:39
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Petr

From my experience with British carriers they aren't stamped with hull numbers in the same way that Canadian ones are. Unless you happen upon some painted hull, registration or T numbers the only way of identifying it is by the brass makers plate which in most cases is missing.

It may always be a mystery

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Old 12-03-14, 23:27
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Petr, I concur with Ben. Your carrier is as you say, quite a lot later than mine (built in 41) The lack of square holes in the rear hull plate means that aill the hot air exits through the mesh screen at the top rear of the engine cover.
The big round hole is the hull drain hole. It has a long rod up to the top, and is unwound to open from inside the mesh screen. If I recall there is a picture of it in the drawing folder of Nigels third book.
This is a rare carrier.
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Ben, this is the case I'm affraid...
But you know, the clear things are sometimes boring
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Old 28-03-14, 17:01
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The big round hole is the hull drain hole. It has a long rod up to the top, and is unwound to open from inside the mesh screen. If I recall there is a picture of it in the drawing folder of Nigels third book.
This is a rare carrier.
Yes Lynn, thanks for the confirmation, the drain hole rod survived, its laying inside the hull next to the engine. Another piece to the puzzle
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Old 30-03-14, 19:07
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May I ask you for a help with ID of these unknown parts? I was looking for their TL numbers in Spare parts list 63/26 (7/42), but wasnt successful
TL14132 could be possibly the lower Bren gun holder?
TL918SA has a leather bar in the bottom, so should be for fixing of something delicate?
Hopefuly positive ID of these could say something about the original configuration of the carrier...
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Old 31-03-14, 03:30
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Clips, BREN gun lower Page 18 TL 14132 also shows as # 22 in last image posted.

Clips, BREN gun tripod Page 19 TL 918 SA two needed, #24 holds tripod legs against hull bracket #25 and #26 in illustration.

Confirm the number TL 13912, it looks similar to a conduit bracket, but also 'may' be related to the BREN tripod leg bracket. That number was not found.
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Old 31-03-14, 08:52
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Michael, thank you very much!
Will check the TL number once more - you are right, it really looks similar to the tripod bracket, but there should be two TL918SA... confusing
Could you confirm please, to what carrier type this layout belongs?
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Old 31-03-14, 13:36
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Petr, Your TL13912 is a combination of parts. the curved bit is a conduit locating bracket. (Mk1*???) The straight bit, I don't know. The two parts have been put together on the c/s screw.
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I see Lynn, thanks! Mystery solved!
So these were used for fixing the el. protection pipes, right?
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Old 01-04-14, 00:23
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Petr, I can't remember exactly it's purpose. I think it locates the conduit (electrical tube) inside the lower rail of the engine cover (battery cable and rear end wiring?)
Is the TL13912 part number, on the curved part or the straight part?
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Old 01-04-14, 09:08
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Thanks Lynn, its stamped on the curved part.
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Old 02-04-14, 15:49
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If your conduit bracket number was 13129 it would be: Clip, retaining, conduit.
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Old 02-04-14, 20:46
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Thanks Michael, I am very busy this week - havent checked TL number yet
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Old 06-04-14, 14:09
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I am sorry, read it wrong, should be TL13942
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Old 06-04-14, 14:55
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It will be for the same task as the one Michael R. mentioned It will be a different length or curve shape or something like that, and the straight bar will obviously be part of the assembly. Similar but different to the MkI*
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Small update - transmission done
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I have been out for a while, but dont worry, still working on her!
Instrument panel finished. More to come...
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Old 07-09-14, 13:16
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Few more restored parts, most of them, I believe, belong to the engine cover area (Mk.III). Some of them are a mystery to me, so if anyone can ID them, I will be very grateful.
In fact position of all parts on the right side of the group image is unknown to me.
The big rectangular plate has most propably TL14688 number on it.
Please note also position of the filling hole on the fuel tank (TL819) - also differs to the MK.I and IIs.
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Petr which bits do you need to I.D.?
The two small pieces on the right of the first picture will be the connection pieces for the lower main engine cover rails. (they bolt on the back plate)
I dont know about the other photos.
It looks like the frame is made so that the front around the radiator can be stripped separately ( to remove radiator without removing the whole engine cover)
Sorry i cant help much
Can you post pictures of the front shutter?
Can you post a picture of the other end of the part nearest the radiator cover plate?
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The three similar brackets mount on the lower engine rail and cross to the lower exterior hull protection plate to support stowage bins over the fuel tanks. They have threaded pads welded in place to allow a fastener to pass through the stowage bin floor and fix the bins in place. It could be the fourth similar bracket completes the set, I cannot say for sure.

The plate with the door is the rad cover top plate. The plate with the latch and a small angle iron portion on the bottom is the radiator blanking plate, off side. The latch is a gravity design used to hold a passenger jump seat in the raised position. The angle iron on the bottom is a removable portion of your off side lower engine cover frame rail. Where it may allow the radiator to be removed, (Lynn) it alao could allow the continuation of that rail rearward to be removed with the engine cover assembly. That permits unobstructed access to the down pipe/exhaust manifold area when re/re the engine or working on that lower off side.

The thin guage flat part with the single hole tab.... dunno. Is that a lower engine cover panel?

Do you have a Chilwell parts manual to reference the MK-III series part numbers?

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Old 07-09-14, 18:15
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Great guys, many thanks - this forum is just excellent wealth of the knowledge

MichaelR: "The thin guage flat part with the single hole tab.... dunno. Is that a lower engine cover panel?" - yes, I think so, but cant prove it so far.
MichaelR: "Do you have a Chilwell parts manual to reference the MK-III series part numbers?" I have just 63/26 from 7/42 and 63/76 from 6/44? but neither covers Mk.III variants I am affraid

Attached are engine area parts in unrestored condition - Im working on it, hopefuly will be able to put some assembled photos soon.
Attached also inner sides of the both radiator covers L+R side (unrestored)
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Old 28-09-14, 12:14
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Just came across one nice detail - not sure if I have seen it before on the other carriers. The fuel dipstick, integrated on to the engine cover.
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Hi Petr, The earlier carriers have the dip stick. It is of a different style with fibre material crimped into it. The stowage is still on the engine cover, but across it at an angle.
Doe anyone know why the rear right side is vertical (mesh over the top) with more space inside the covers?
Is it for the oil filter?
Can you do a close up photo of the words on the dip stick?
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These are Mk.III covers without the air ducts, so possibly just for allowing the bigger airflow - bigger mesh space? Just a thought.
Will post close up photo with the words later - there is plenty of them
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Lynn, here are the close-ups:
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All proper lights now ready, also STA almost finished as well as few other bits.
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