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Old 24-12-19, 00:15
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I wonder if the white wasn't painted over the ta signs to obliterate them prior to disposal. That was often done to surplus vehicles in Canada
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Old 24-12-19, 01:15
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Now my curiosity is peaked.

To what end would the RCASC be using Otters? Convoy escort in forward areas?

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Old 25-12-19, 00:02
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More original markings found. On the passenger door is the W/T. The exciting find was on the rear lower plate. Itís original CMD #. I think itís CMD 26407. Lastly I found on the right rear fender what I believe to be a postwar Dutch marking. The Netherlands flag in what I think was a black circle.

Itís nice finding these numbers as hopefully as others have said this vehicle can be traced.

Alex, Iíve checked the white plate underneath and it doesnít look to have had any thing. The lower front plate might have something but it will have to wait since the nose is pretty close to the shop door. Thanks for those pictures. I have not seen those ones before.

David, as for its role in RCASC usecheck out the info sheet below.
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Old 25-12-19, 12:13
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Great to see this Otter in good hands and being restored!

In post #2 it looks like the remains of a registration number CM 46??296 are visible, similar to the number on the Otter on the attached photo (from the book “XII Manitoba Dragoons a tribune” by B. Tascona, showing Otter used during training in the U.K. 1943).

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Old 25-12-19, 15:36
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Lastly I found on the right rear fender what I believe to be a postwar Dutch marking. The Netherlands flag in what I think was a black circle.
Jordan, you might even be able to find an orange lion marking under the red-white-blue dutch flag. The black circle with orange lion was the marking used just after the war (and during the war by the Irene Brigade), later in life Dutch army vehicles received a licence plate and red-white-blue flag in stead of the older style markings.

Attached are two Ward la France wreckers in different time periods. Early post-war with orange lion and later with licence plate and flag marking.
source: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/
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Old 25-12-19, 15:38
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By the way....interesting to see that some Otters were given a census number with CM-prefix, while others were given a (C)F prefix!

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Old 25-12-19, 15:41
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Thanks Alex.

My knowledge on the Dutch markings is quite limited.

Yes the difference in the WD numbers. Originally they were considered “cars” so they got the CM numbers. Later contracts they were considered “armoured cars” and got the F numbers. I think they started getting F numbers quite late in construction around October/November of 42.
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Old 25-12-19, 16:06
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Jordan, you might even be able to find an orange lion marking under the red-white-blue dutch flag. The black circle with orange lion was the marking used just after the war (and during the war by the Irene Brigade), later in life Dutch army vehicles received a licence plate and red-white-blue flag in stead of the older style markings.
To add to that, here's an example of an Otter with the early post-war markings, consisting of an orange lion on a black circle on the center of the nose, plus a five digit census number in white on the side of the bonnet:
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Old 25-12-19, 18:22
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This is shaping up to be another great thread. Informative, interesting and always great to see a vehicle given the in depth attention that Jordan is capable of.
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Old 25-12-19, 19:31
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Just a thought, Jordan.

Try shining a UV/Black Light lamp on the markings as you are working on them. Different paints react differently that might otherwise look similar under normal light. Bulbs are readily available at Home Depot, Rona etc, in either incandescent or CFB versions.

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Old 25-12-19, 20:04
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Thanks all for the extra information.

Iíll have to try the black light. Iím finding that the upper layers can easily be chipped off using a small scraper tool from the wartime white paint. It must have had enough of a smooth surface to reduce the adhesion. After the holidays Iím gong to contact Library and Archives to see about getting copies of the War Diaries for 3rd Infantry Brigade Company. Sadly they are not online.
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Old 30-12-19, 19:55
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The original factory applied WD#. The first picture is on the left side of the hull. Picture 2 is on the right side. At some point in its life it had a spare tire mount added. This went right over the factory applied WD#.

Picture 3 is an odd marking I found either on or under the factory paint layer. I also found these numbers on the turret opening guard. Iím wondering if they were left over markings during the manufacturing process?
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Old 31-12-19, 01:32
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I think it is very likely that at least some are markings left over from the manufacturing process. There will have been a Shop number for the vehicle as a whole but there will also have been batch numbers, individual part and assembly numbers and quality control marks. If you can find good factory shots of vehicles under construction you may get some idea of what was typical. I don't know about Otters but Rams, Grizzlies and Sextons had their Shop number stamped into the hull itself and there was a correlation to the original Army / WD number.

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Old 31-12-19, 23:17
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Taking photos at various stages of the scraping process in high res. will later allow you to play with photo shop and allow you to read the impossible by playing with contrast, color, saturation, etc. even dark ereas /shadows of pictures can be hi-lightened and read.....

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Old 08-01-20, 02:36
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I may have found the hull number stamped into the turret ring. Anyone else familiar with a Otters able to comment?
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Old 21-02-20, 21:46
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I found a nice little souvenir today wedged in behind the master cutout switch. A Belgium made 1950 .303 round. Itís been fired by a Bren. It would have been really something if it had been a wartime round but this is still neat.
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And... you know it was fired by a Bren, how?
I know it was, but for the audience please an educational tidbit.
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And... you know it was fired by a Bren, how?
I know it was, but for the audience please an educational tidbit.
Oblong firing pin depression strike on the primer. Anything else is circular.
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Old 24-02-20, 23:30
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Interior lamp assembly for the Otter. Itís pretty much the same as found on the Universal Carrier dash. However it only uses one wire and the socket is grounded versus the double wire on the Universal Carrier.

Sadly something smacked the lamp pretty hard at some point and crushed in the dome. The mounting bracket was also bent and broken because of that as well. I clamped the two parts and backed them with some brass washers then used my Mig welder. Came out very well. I did go back and re weld the one joint as I wasnít happy with it the first time. Now to see about straightening out the dome. Itís thin brass so Iím not too hopeful it will.
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And the bracket all freshly sandblasted.
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Those lamps were also used as interior lamps in Rams.

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Old 25-02-20, 23:06
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Iím just about finished with the interior lamp. Thankfully after annealing the brass hood it came back to its proper shape quite easily. I also managed to get the threaded end seated back into the lamp body.
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Today I discovered the remains of the Allied star on the side of the hull.
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Jordan any progress on finding a set of number you like for a serial number?
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