surviving T16s

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
An apprentice job indeed, that is what I first thought as well.

However, earlier this week I read Universal Carrier T16 en la IMARA.

. . . .the rear bogie being reversed. There were other detail differences

More fascinating by the second and I note with personal shame that not only can McSpool speak Dutch, English and most other mainland Euro languages together with fluent Sherman, CMP and T16, but I need to add Spanish to the list now as well. . . . . . .

R.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by FV623
but I need to add Spanish to the list now as well. . . . . . .

Well, I have a friend who speaks Spanish quite well...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

T16 pictured near Port-en-Bessin, France, June 1994.
Owner unknown.


Source: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/lsm/dhmg/mud1s.html

[Hanno Spoelstra]

T251143, pictured in Mons, Belgium, 2003 - see AFV BE > Il était une fois le pas de Calais libéré 2003.

H.

[Crewman]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Did the Polish Forces use T16s during WW2?

Originally posted by Garry Shipton
...did not the Polish Divsion as part of the Canadian 2nd Div at The Falaise gap have T16s? Something to look into!!

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
If you could find out more info re. the use of T16 by Polish forces - or any other Commonwealth forces - that would be great.

Hi friends,

Most likely, if only, several T16s served in the Polish Armed Forces but they were single vehicles.

The only one confirmed episode is the presence of T16s in slightly exotic Polish military structure in France. It was not related to UK-based Polish Government and its Polish Armed Forces with their London HQ. Too long and too complicated to explain it briefly. There was a time in 1944 when Poland had two Governments -- one UK-based (legal); the other one Poland-based (illegal). The T16s belonged to so-called Zgrupowanie Piechoty Polskiej we Francji, or ZPPwF, (The Polish Infantry Group in France) related to Poland-based Government. It was strongly related to French Communistic Party that was tolerated by the Allies and even equipped by them. More or less than 10 T16s served in the ZPPwF. In February 1945 the ZPPwF became the part of the French 1st Army.

Source:
Janusz Magnuski
Wozy bojowe Polskich Si³ Zbrojnych 1940-1946
(The Combat Vehicles of the Polish Armed Forces 1940-1946)
Wydawnictwo Lampart, Warszawa 1998
(Lampart Publishing House, Warsaw 1998)
ISBN 83-86776-39-0

About the author Mr. Janusz Magnuski
http://www.explore-biography.com/sci..._Magnuski.html

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Crewman
More or less than 10 T16s served in the ZPPwF. In February 1945 the ZPPwF became the part of the French 1st Army.

Crewman, thank you for this information!

Regards,
Hanno

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally posted by Mark W. Tonner
Hi Guys;

The pictures are from Argentina, the junkyard one - no date; the two below: top one 1946-47 and the bottom one 1956, look at the vehicle on the left of this picture.

Have another picture from the Argentina Naval Museum to follow.

Cheers

look at the vehicle on the left of this picture

Hey, a WIRE-5 "Gin Palace"!

[Crewman]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
If you could find out more info re. the use of T16 by Polish forces - or any other Commonwealth forces - that would be great.

Hi,

The info literally from today. I received today the brochure-document from London-based Polish Institute and Gen. Sikorsky’s Museum. It is dedicated to logistics system of the Polish 1 Armoured Division (ETO). The brochure informs that the Division used T16s in its quartermaster companies but there is lack of info how many.

Source:
Kronika oddzia³ów zaopatrywania 1. Dywizji Pancernej
(The Chronicle of Quartermaster Companies of the 1st Armoured Division)
Instytut Polski i Muzeum im. gen. Sikorskiego, London 1995
ISBN 0-902508-25-3

And its cover


Best

C.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by G166UC
Where did you find the picture of the T-16 at Latrune? I was there about 3 years ago but did not see the T-16. I saw several MkII carriers.

Originally posted by Mark W. Tonner
I have to agree with Rod, I've also been to the Israeli Armoured Corps Museum at Latrun and didn't see any T16's. The one in your post, I'm sure, is a No. 3 Mk II, if memory serves me correctly.

Better picture of the T16 at Latrun, Israel (source).

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another survivor in Argentina, this T16 is in the Museo del Ejército Argentino.


Source

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
in 1947 between ten to twenty T16E2s were acquired from the US by the Argentine Marines. The T16E2 was slightly longer (13'6" vs. 12'11" for the T16) and the bogies were moved rearward with the rear bogie being reversed. There were other detail differences, but popular belief has it the T16E2 did not get past the prototype phase. If however the Argentine Marines indeed got a batch of T16E2s, the one pictured here could possibly the only surviving T16E2...

Here's a nice side view of a surviving T16E2, clearly showing the details noted above.
It is a real surprise to find a surviving example of a type of vehicle, which according to common belief was not manufactured. Better yet, it is for sale!

H.


source

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another survivor in Argentina, this one is a gate gaurd at Escuadrón de Exploracion Caballería Blindado 1 "Coronel Isidoro Suarez".
Source: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=56352

[G166UC]

Hanno,
I don't have the pictures entered in my computer yet, but I finally got the six T-16s I bought earlier this summer. This is the last of the group that Southeastern equipment had about 12 years ago. A gentleman bought these just before the rest got scrapped. They are a little rough but definitely restorable. Why don't you come over to sunny Arizona this winter and take one home with you? It's only money! i will try to post some pictures soon.
Rod Shaver

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here's a pic of a survivor located at the Indiana Military History Museum, Vincennes, Indiana, USA.

Is this one of the SECO log skidder conversions?

H.

Source: http://www.pointmanspage.com/gallery/IMHM

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Who knows where this T16 survivor is located? I recall seeing photos of it before, I'm pretty sure it is in Canada. But where?

See more pics at http://www.primeportal.net/apc/daryl...ersal_carrier/

Thanks,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Snowtractor in Gweru Military museum
A T-16 if I am not mistaken

Surprisingly, this "Zimbabwean Bren Carrier" survives in the Gweru Military Museum in Zimbabwe, Africa.

Can anyone tell if/when the T16 was in military service in Zimbabwe?!? Reportedly, the Swiss Army sold 300 T16s to Biafra via a dealer in Toronto in 1965; could it be (some of) these ended up in Zimbabwe?

Thanks,
Hanno

[Terry Gaebel]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Who knows where this T16 survivor is located? I recall seeing photos of it before, I'm pretty sure it is in Canada. But where?

Hanno this looks like the one that is in Fort McLoud AB. A picture was in the Convoy web site

Terry

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Terry Gaebel
Hanno this looks like the one that is in Fort McLoud AB. A picture was in the Convoy web site

Yes, that must be the one. Thanks Terry!

H.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Last weekend I visited the "Tanks in Town" event in Mons, Belgium and among the vehicles, was a T16 carrier. Sadly I wasn't able to take any pictures, but this seems like the same carrier:


Source: www.tanksintown.be

On the way back home I visited the "T16" Canadian monument in Eede.

regards,

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

The T16 of the Eede-monument in its present condition....

I was quite surprised to see that some of the dashboard and interior fittings were still in place...

[G166UC]

Hanno,
It was good to see you at Beltring this year. I had a great time. It looks like the T-16 in Africa still has all the standard British mods on it. I don't see anything that looks Swiss on it.
Just to let everyone know, all the T-16s I had have been sold.
See Ya, Rod

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by G166UC
Hanno,
It was good to see you at Beltring this year. I had a great time. It looks like the T-16 in Africa still has all the standard British mods on it. I don't see anything that looks Swiss on it.

Yes Rod, it was good to see you again and chat T16s and other armour! Have you given any further thought to your plan to ship over your T16 for the Arnhem commemorations? Let me know, I'd be glad to help on this side of the pond.

Thanks for IDing that Zimbabwean T16 as being ex-British. Must have come there through SA from stocks supplied by the UK?

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Alex van de Wetering
Last weekend I visited the "Tanks in Town" event in Mons, Belgium and among the vehicles, was a T16 carrier. Sadly I wasn't able to take any pictures, but this seems like the same carrier:

Thanks Alex, and yes it is indeed the same carrier. T16 s/n 11644 T103640 lives in Belgium, it can also be seen at Wings & Wheels.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Alex van de Wetering
The T16 of the Eede-monument in its present condition....

I was quite surprised to see that some of the dashboard and interior fittings were still in place...

Good to see it repainted! I take it the open top is still welded shut? Pity it still sports that silly "heardboard"...

H.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Yes Hanno. It is still welded shut, the rear completely and the front compartment from about halfway.

It looked like it had been spray-painted (all-over) not too long ago.

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Fred Ropkey's T16: Ropkey Armor Museum, Crawfordville, USA (source).

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Though not listed on their inventory, this was T16 pictured by militarymodelling.com at the Wheatcroft Collection:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

T16 at Eden Camp, UK (pic source).

[Hanno Spoelstra]

A T16 found rusting at Hartbeesport zoo in South Africa.

Source: http://www.69dude.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=248

[Hanno Spoelstra]

One of a few T16's surviving in France at the ASSOCIATION DE SAUVEGARDE DU PATRIMOINE HISTORIQUE MILITAIRE. They have quite an extensive collection of vehicles.

According to the data plate it is s/n 10274 and WD no. T102186-S. For some reason it is marked USA 4074468.