HUPs IN STRANGE PLACES

[RHClarke]

This is an invitation for all web-surfers/restorers/researchers to post shots of non-military use HUPs with the intent of sharing information and perhaps populating a future HUP section on this website...

Here is my first offering (taken from: http://www.lib.duke.edu/forest/Publi...01/drushka.pdf)

[Phil Waterman]

Great shot Rob- Does mine qualify? HUP in New York City 1945

[Bob Carriere]

Rob you stole that picture from NRCan......

I have been trying to reach the speaker of the "Alien Pest" who used that picture to advertise his lecture last Monday.

You know what...... he is located in Sault St Marie.... Angus territory.... been trying to contact him for access to his archives or source to see what else he's got...... would it not be silly if one of Angus' HUP was the same truck....???

I am hoping to get access to a high resolution shot......

where did you see the picture????

BooBee

[RHClarke]

Bob,

Steal?? Nay! I say. Proper credit was given - see edge of photo. The attached URL in my original post leads to a newsletter that describes the forestry service somewhere in Canada. Chances are, the HUP is still sitting in an alder swamp between the Soo and the Miramichi (just to narrow it down)...we will track it down when I collect my lotto winnings (note to self: don't hold breath...).

Phil, some would say NY is "strange" - so, yes! Your shot qualifies - looks like a lonely petunia in the onion patch tho!

Jason Ginn's find should be added to this thread.
More shots to follow!

[Tony Smith]

Originally posted by RHClarke
Phil, some would say NY is "strange" - so, yes! Your shot qualifies - looks like a lonely petunia in the onion patch tho!

I'll say it's strange! The only RHD vehicle is on the "Wrong" side of the road, and the LHD cars are also on the "Wrong" side! Bizzarre place!

[RHClarke]

The fol URL takes you to a document about the Halifax Concert Party, a civilian org that entertained the troops. Strangely, the article mentions the use of a HUP (para just above the first photo) to haul a portable generator plant. In my mind, a not so noble task.

So, some HUPs indeed had tow hitches attached...I wonder if they were the bog-standard pin hitches or the real deal spike type military hitches???

http://www.lib.unb.ca/Texts/TRIC/bin...me=oneill.html

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by RHClarke
The fol URL takes you to a document about the Halifax Concert Party, a civilian org that entertained the troops. Strangely, the article mentions the use of a HUP (para just above the first photo) to haul a portable generator plant. In my mind, a not so noble task.

So, some HUPs indeed had tow hitches attached...I wonder if they were the bog-standard pin hitches or the real deal spike type military hitches???

http://www.lib.unb.ca/Texts/TRIC/bin...me=oneill.html

RH

here's the quote from the article....

At Aldershot, Mills supervised the four enlisted men who prepared the company's traveling show, consisting of a bus for the performers, a heavy utility personnel vehicle towing a portable generating plant, and a 60 cwt truck carrying a mobile stage, lights, costumes, and sound equipment, with a former mobile dental trailer that had been converted into a dressing room in tow.

Do you think we will have that kind of Travelling show at Gracie's tonight...
3 hours to touch down...

[RHClarke]

Jason's HUP find:

[Bob Carriere]

These pistures were sent to me for "personal" use.

I have them in higher resolution.... if anyone needs them to enlarge to study details please PM me.

They are all from the archives of the Canadian Forestry Services which is part of Natural Resources Canada.

Enjoy....

To my eyes they all appear to be late production... see door handles and what seems to be sliding windows on front doors.

Absence of external tool racks.... underneath storage lockers... bridge plate still on some with original small stop lights...

[Bob Carriere]

.... what a loverly bunch of coconuts...... chalk on door seems to be saying OK.... 2nd division... and Lac Ducharme..???

[Bob Carriere]

.....a bridge plate and NO license plate...???

[RHClarke]

Bob,

You sadist! Showing those photos of pristine HUPs is like showing a steak dinner to a starving man.

We got to talk - standby for phone call at lunch!

[Bob Carriere]

......did you noticed they don't seem to have spare tires...

...... did they actually drove on the rim????

[Bob Carriere]

....looks like the driver is looking for hot water from the rad for a shave....

[Bob Carriere]

.... and they do get stuck..... at least they used them for what they were designed for.....

[Bob Carriere]

Rob...... lunch tomorrow no good....

Doing layoffs all day and in my spare time we are moving MOM to a palliative care center...... call in the evening after 8:30 is better... when it rains it pours...

Bob

PS here is one more

[Keith Webb]

Stunning pics, Bob!

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally posted by Keith Webb
Stunning pics, Bob!

Agree.

(Bob; sorry to hear about your Mom...age does creep up on us all).

In all of the HUP pics, the towing lugs are mounted horizontally vice vertically in all (?) other CMP types.

Was this a common feature of HUP production?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
To my eyes they all appear to be late production... see door handles and what seems to be sliding windows on front doors.

Bob, great pics!

They are indeed late production version, more specifically, the C8A HUP PERS-3 with 1C11 body, a late-war command car development of the HUP. Very posh compared to regular army trucks. My guess is these were unused when the war ended, and transferred to the Canadian Forestry Services at no cost.

H.

[Phil Waterman]

Bob- Please extend our thanks to your source on these photos. They are, could I say more, just wonderful. It is photos like this that are in many cases private hands that need to be preserved and shared. Many of the details of the HUP would indicate very late production the cut out in passenger running board for the Jerry Cans is I think one of the last production changes made.

Can you tell what the round decal on the door sayes?

[RHClarke]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld

In all of the HUP pics, the towing lugs are mounted horizontally vice vertically in all (?) other CMP types.

Was this a common feature of HUP production?

Jon,

My 43 HUP wrecks have vertical D rings. The 45 - horizonal. Other differences between 45s and earlier models (others should feel free to add to the list):

- Different frame in regard to the number of cross members, width and length
- Sliding roof hatch mounted forward on the roof
- Sliding windows mounted in metal frames (the small "opera" window on the drivers side is held in place by small metal cleats
- Complex passenger running board that includes a lockable Jerry Can holder (for 2 real Jerry cans vice POW cans)
- Elegant step for the front passenger side door
- Space heater for the rear
- Intermediate bench seat in the rear
- Two jump seats in the rear corners
- Rear floor was a strange grid pattern plate (grid down - see Frantisek Nachlinger C8A 1C11 thread for an excellet shot)
- Linoleum flooring in the rear
- Two piece divider frame (upper and lower)
- Upper divider frame has lockable sliding glass window
- Folding desk mounted on the divider
- Different (as far as I know) knee action shock arm length
- "tar paper" insulation on the doors and walls
- Luxurious cardboard liner on the walls and ceilings of cab and rear space
- Chain locker
- On/off switch on rear convoy light plate
- Different front end clip - tighter turning radius meant wider wheel wells
- Towing "D" ring layout
- Motor mounts used for the transfer case - explaining the small hole cut in the floor (see Hammond Barn thread for photo)
- Different length front drive shaft
- Different bumpers/spring cover plates
- 2 inch wide springs
- Different spring pins
- Different front end spring mounts - front and rear of springs
- Different size for both rear axle shafts (making a short axle shaft a really significant find...)
- Lighting in the back provided by one centrally mounted (driver side) lamp
- Inside and outside thru the door handles for all doors
- Clamp type rod activated parking brake on the rear of the diff
- Different sized wheel cylinders front and rear (at least on my HUP...)
- Two rifle racks mounted vertically in the cab and two mounted horizontally above the windows in the rear
- Roll up blinds with snaps on the fabric and on the window frames for blackout purposes
- Narrower brush guard Not so! I stand corrected. HOWEVER! The bolt patterns on the uprights are different due to the narrow width of the bumper itself...
- Hinges on the side and rear doors are unique
- Front bumper mounts are castings
- Wooden spacers are used with the bolt attachments used to fix the body to the frame
- Composite materials are used as spacers between the frame rails and the body
- External civy pattern door handles Oct 2010




That is all I can think of for the moment. More, I hope will follow...

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

It is just possible that these HUPs may have been amongst the very last CMP production by GM of Canada, which had finished by October 1945. Thank you for sharing them.

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
In all of the HUP pics, the towing lugs are mounted horizontally vice vertically in all (?) other CMP types.

Australian produced C15s had the 'D's mounted the same way:




Source

But not F15s:


Source


Source

[Brian Gough]

Jon & Keith,

Relying on memory here, I think the horizontal mounting of the front towing rings on the C8A (and C8AX, C8 and C15) was due to the 5" width of the front bumper. On the other CMP Chevs the bumper was 6" wide and the "D" rings were mounted vertically.

Brian

[Bob Carriere]

...how much interest would be generated by these pictures.

The chap who sent them to me added that in the mid 50s when they were declared surplus.... employees had first crack at buying them....... claims he got two trucks back then but they were larger models. Now we have to remember that all these trcuks were in Northern Ontario....... probably Sault Ste Marie and further up....... TransCanada Highwway between Ottawa and North Bay was not paved all the way yet...circa 1947/48.

I have not had the chance to respond to him...but will!!! Good potential for finding abandonned vehicles or more pictures.

Hang in there.

Bob

[Bob Carriere]

Phil

The roundel can not be read from the hi res. pictures....

Seems to be 3 words written in a circle ...with maybe F C in the centre.... maybe for Forestry Canada.....

In the picture of the HUP parked in a neat row..... the chalked writing on the door says..... OK 2 Drive and signed L... Dxxxx

All the other trucks have the easily read Canada and underneath Dept. of Agriculture.

Can you guess which departmental archives I will be checking next????

Another source I need to follow up is the first bus company in Hull PQ. It was started by a couple of brothers (Bisson) who made their fortune as mercenary pilots with ferry command...... there total fleet of support vehicles were all CMPs.... 15 cwt fuel trucks... some 30 and 60....some wreckers.... all painted bottom half light grey top half white...... city archives may prove interesting....... you have to remember they were the only good dependable trucks available after the war.

Bob

[RHClarke]

Keith's post brings up another difference - as far as I know - all HUPs were Chevrolets.

There are no serial numbers stamped on my 45 HUP frame. However there is a letter "S" inside a circle stamped on the frame. I'll find a photo or get another photo showing the location later on. So far, the only theory is that the "Circle S" is the frame manufacturer's identification stamp.

RHC

[RHClarke]

Phil,

Would you mind posting the photo of CMPs (with HUPs leading) to this thread?

RHC

[Grant Bowker]

I've seen a photo of someone stamping a Dodge (8 cwt?) frame at the factory to indicate acceptance. Is there a chance that the same was done with Chevs or Fords?

[Phil Waterman]

Originally posted by RHClarke
Phil,

Would you mind posting the photo of CMPs (with HUPs leading) to this thread?

RHC

Here it is with link http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/C...20Columbia.htm for the rest.