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Old 21-08-19, 16:32
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Hi Jacques,

No easy way to find that number: just hard slog. Fords around ARN 57000 should be a good starting point. At least you can do it from the comfort of your home these days.

It is a 1942 production year number for a 3 3/16 inch bore V8 coupled to a 4 speed gearbox, so in a lorry or truck.

It is not from a Lynx A/car, at least the number does not match a Lynx supplied to Aust.

Mike

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Old 21-08-19, 22:37
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for that advice and giving me a good starting point. I had already downloaded the relevant volume along with a few others I searched.

Got new prescription reading glasses last week so maybe the search this time will go easier on the eyes!

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Old 22-08-19, 00:09
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Hi Mike,

Bingo! Your help greatly appreciated. Found it after 20 minutes. Found 3G 12169 F early on. Overlooked 3G 12166 but after a second sweep found it.
I think the strike through made it less noticeable. Any idea what MBA W 801 means?

As suspected, transmission is from a 3 ton GS lorry not a CMP vehicle. So much for stamping the transmission to keep the identification of a vehicle.

Many thanks again.

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Old 22-08-19, 00:32
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Hi Jacques,

Good find. ARN 57486. The MBAW801 is, in theory, the replacement engine number, but it is a strange one. Maybe 'Melbourne Area Workshop 801' - just a guess, don't really have an answer to it not conforming to the standard Ford engine number series.

I'd suggest the engine and transmission were both removed and replaced, and somehow the transmission ended up in an F15A.

The 3 ton GS lorry was taken on charge in 2MD, and disposed of to Ford Motor Coy at war's end or close to it. Don't forget that the original engine number was also stamped onto the right side chassis rail, so 3G12166F on the 3 tonner.

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Old 22-08-19, 05:11
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Hi Mike,

Thanks again for your information.

I have been waiting on finding the identity of the truck that supplied the transmission fitted to my first F15-A. I will call my first truck the "Orphan Truck"
On that basis I think I will give it some semblance of an identity by using the parts truck transmission's gear case in it. The parts truck was ARN 55166 with transmission No. 3G 43291 F, a F15-A Battery Staff truck. That truck has supplied a Foam Extinguisher bracket. Comparing the two chassis and fittings over a years time I could not find any differences between the two.

In 2000 I rebuilt a F15 transmission and placed it in the "Orphan" not knowing anything about ARN's then. At least the filler plug was on the left side of that transmission. Interestingly, neither the Orphan or the Battery Staff parts truck had any numbers stamped on the chassis so there won't be any conflict there.

I had already anticipated I would do this subject to identifying the original 3 ton GS truck transmission. The parts truck transmission case has been cleaned, stripped and primed so I just have to put the NOS innards in it from the F15 case.

A bit of extra work but I think it is worth it. Still better than the other two transmission options. Now to find a Sunshine roof or convert my spare one.

I wish I had known these things all those years ago. If I was buying a CMP truck now I would look at the transmission first!

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Old 09-08-20, 04:36
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Default Studebaker ARNs

I am having a break from driving to Roma Qld every weekend, to help family out there, it is too wet to do any farming and too cold to work in the shed, so I thought I would sort out my 8 Studebaker ARNs, plus the 2 that I dismantled.

Out of the 8 only 4 have matching chassis number plates and dash nomenclature plates. I have been documenting dates of delivery, ARNs etc. to make it easier to check the large number of photos that are being put on fb and the forums these days.

This has all been made easier with the work Darryl Jones did for this forum with his documentation of all the Australian Studebaker and Reo trucks.

I would like to confirm Darryl ARN 144487 is chassis number 43516X. I have this 1943 Studebaker with the correct ARN and it's USA number on the bonnet. It doesn't have the nomenclature plates, somebody put lovely, neat, chrome strips across that part of the dash, but it does have the chassis plate.

I also have a chassis plate 95315 which which came off a bare chassis, that was at Prices Spare Parts and was being sent to Ken Hughes at Kingaroy for scrap. That chassis number doesn't appear in the ARNs.

One of the things that I have noticed as I go though the AWM books is the 123 Studebakers, ARN 169000 to 169122 that have post war British registration numbers. I am guessing, not assuming these trucks must have been delivered to the British Army first. Did they actually go to Britain and get registration numbers stamped on the packing box or the trucks assembled and registered and then sent to Australia? Britain would have had to have had something to do with them, to allot them registration numbers. It must have meant something special for the Australian Army ledger keeper, make note of them all.
There are a lot of trucks where the USA number is noted and I do assume that these trucks were delivered to the US Army and, then lend leased to Russia, but sent to Australia as the war came to a close in Europe. Those trucks didn't come with Russian registration numbers though, is the point I am trying to clear up.
I can't find anywhere this has been discussed before, but I would be interested to read if it has.
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Old 09-08-20, 04:55
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Hi Ken,

The Brit numbers are post war, 1950s, and relate to Centurion tanks. For some unknown reason, the Studebaker/Reo trucks delivered in 1945 and the Centurion tanks that arrived in late 1951/1952, were assigned the same ARN. Some clerk has written the Brit Centurion number next to the relevant ARN, but next to the Studebaker/Reo entries.

The Centurions are also listed elsewhere in AWM126 with those same ARNs, but I don't remember which register they are in.

Mike
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Old 09-08-20, 05:22
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Thanks Mike, here I am thinking it was all I wrote above, imagining ships loaded with Studebakers calling in at Hong Kong or some other empire destination, and turns out it was just a clerical error.
Ken
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1942 Cab 13 F15 ARN 55236
1942 Cab 13 F60L ARN 58171 Mach "D" Loading
1942 Cab 13 C15 ARN 62400
1945 Cab 13 C60L ARN 77821
1941 Chevrolet 3 Ton GS ARN AIF L16070 Middle East veteran
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