body ford f30s

[michel.m44]

Dear readers,
We are French collectors members of association Provence 44 in the south of France.
We have just acquired Ford Canada of the type f30s.
We restore in this moment the case postpones to manufacture by Fastern Steel Products limited the 43/6 model is 7d2 and the n° of series 1012 (this information one was raised on the plate of the manufacturer has the back of the case) the central elements one was to cut out (supports of spare wheels, central compartment).
We seek documentation or photographs detailed to recreate the missing parts.



thank you for the answers to our research
PS: message translated by Free.fr

[Bob Carriere]

You can write in French if it is easier members will translate for you.....

Pardon my English key board.....mais vous pouvez ecrire en francais...plusieurs membres du forum peuvent traduire pour vous.

Felicitation pour votre decouverte.

Bob Carriere

[michel.m44]

Merci je ne savais pas qu'il y avait des francophones ici voici donc mon message en français car je pense bien que le traducteur que j'ai utilisé n'est pas très performent :

Chers lecteurs,
Nous sommes des collectionneurs français membres de l'association Provence 44 dans les sud de la France.
Nous avons acquis une Ford Canada du type f30s.
Nous restaurons en ce moment la caisse arrière fabriquer par Fastern steel product limited dont le modèle de 43/6 est 7d2 et le n° de la série est 1012 (ces information on étai récupérer sur la plaque du fabricant a l'arrière) les éléments centraux on étai découper (Supports de roue de secours, compartiment central). Nous cherchons la documentation ou des photographies détaillées pour recréer les morceaux manquants.

Merci de m'envoyer par message priver la traduction de ce texte que je remplacerai dans mon 1er message qui a été traduis grâce a un site Internet.

[Bob Carriere]

Bonjour Michel

......je ferais un traduction de chez moi ce soir.....

For the Anglophone..... this has nothing to do with "voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir...."

I will translate...or do my best anyways... from my home computer.
The original web translation was rather confusing.

Robert
aka Bob

[Tony Smith]

Lost me, Bob, you and your Bi-Linguality!

BTW, the body builder is not Fastern, but Eastern (L'Orient?).

[michel.m44]

oh yes you are right, it is Eastern. thank you
I thought that it was a "F"

[peter simundson]

Eastern Steel Products was an old Rolling Steel Door Manufacturer in Preston with offices in Toronto and Montreal. They made Heavy Rolling Steel Doors of all types and were still in business up to about 1972 and were bought out by Kinnear, that became Kinnear/Eastern Steel. Later Eastern Steel was dropped and they were forgotten to history. The big plant was in Preston Ontario.

[Bob Carriere]

First thanks for the clarification on the Eastern Steel products.....

Please refer to the pictures above to follow what Michel is asking.

Dear readers........ (I like him already he thinks we can read.)

We are an association of French collectors and members of an association loacted in the Provence 44 in the South of France.

We have acquired a Ford of Canada F30. (not lucky it could have been a Chevrolet)

WE are currently restoring the cargo box which was fabricated by Eastern Steel Product Limited. Model 43/6 (probably date of manufacture) Model 7D2....serial number 1012... this information was recovered from the builders ID tag.

It seems that some central parts have been cut out ( the spare tire bracket is still in place)....(if original???) .

We are looking for documentation and detailed photographes to recreate the missing pieces / components.


...end of translation.

First of all who was the French guy that rebuilt the C8.... was for sale for a while.... they should be in touch with one another...... any suggestions from our members of who could help them on the Continent.

I am curious about that F30...... I have seen similar rigs on Dodges for bomb tenders..... what is that one????

Is there really lots missing from the middle of the cargo box???

Alex.... do you have better pictures from your manuals...

A CMPer in need is a friend in deed!!!!!

Michel....reste a l'ecoute pour des details.

Bob

[RHClarke]

http://provence44.free.fr/

[Bob Carriere]

Geez Rob

Provence 44 sure makes the back field in Hammond a little bare.

Like looking up at the stars and feeling humble.....

Better start scrounging more treasures mon ami!!!!

BooBee
PS....now go to bed.

[Rob Fast]

is a LAAT box 7D2. See my LAAT restoration thread, A GOOD WEEK OF LAAT RESTORATION, in the restoration section. I don't know how to link it over here to this reply. Cheers Rob

[Keith Webb]

A good week of LAAT restoration

What you do is copy the link, then click on the "http" button above, write the text you want to appear for the link, hit enter, then paste the link and hit enter again.
hth, Keith

[cliff]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
I am curious about that F30...... I have seen similar rigs on Dodges for bomb tenders..... what is that one????

Bob it is a #7 wrecker set normally found on GMC-CCKW's. The American Army used them mainly on the LWB 353 while the post war French Army used them mainly on SWB352's.

The bomb trucks rig was different in design but similar in looks.

Cheers
Cliff

PS> this is the first one I have seen on a CMP and it is probably a post war civilian modification.

[michel.m44]

yes cliff the lot7 is a post war civilian modification it is a lot7 of gmc cckw.


le Lot7 de la 1er photo a étai rajouté aprés guerre car le camion a servi de dépannage c'est un lot7 de gmc

merci pour vos réponces je chercher exatement cela,
Il manque juste les supports de roue de secours une pour le camion l'autre pour le canon Boford
Il reste les marques de soudure sur la caisse donc on va pouvoir les recréer grâce à elle .
voici les détails de notre camion :

the support of spare wheel is modified

the only document found for this body :
voici le seul document que j'ai retrouver sur ce model de caisse :


Quand j'auré plus de photo je vous en ferai par .
"When I will have more photograph I will show them to you"

[Keith Webb]

Bonjour Michel

The photograph of the chassis shows you have a F60S. The F30 (no "S") only had a single speed transfer case. It has been fitted with 16" wheels but should have 20".

The rear fairleads have been modified with an additional small roller which looks to have been welded onto the spring bumper.

All the best,

Keith

[michel.m44]

the plate manufacturer with interior of the cabin it is marked that the model is a F30s.


yes we saw that the rear fairleads have been modified with an additional small roller which looks to have been welded onto the spring bumper.

[michel.m44]

provence44.free.fr est le site de notre association

[michel.m44]

Rob,
Can you give me measurements of the the spare barrel carrier rack ?
Had you got an original ? or you had manufactured thanks to documents or photographs ?
Do you have the suports spare wheel?

est ce que mon anglais est juste bob ?

voici de nouvelle image :
new image :

[Keith Webb]

Hi Michel

OK... this is hard to ignore or understand... and the first time I've ever seen reference to that model, but I'm prepared to have an open mind about it!

The possibility exists the plate was incorrectly stamped...

Can I throw the question open to everyone - have any of you ever seen a spare parts list for a F30S? Or any reference to this model anywhere?

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by Keith Webb
Hi Michel

OK... this is hard to ignore or understand... and the first time I've ever seen reference to that model, but I'm prepared to have an open mind about it!

The possibility exists the plate was incorrectly stamped...

Can I throw the question open to everyone - have any of you ever seen a spare parts list for a F30S? Or any reference to this model anywhere?

Keith...
How far you look for one of those F30S parts manuals..?
You'll still be looking ..There is no F 30 S as far as I know..
The S refers to the wheelbase of the 60 CWT,134 1/4 "WB F 60 S....158 1/4"WB F 60 L....
The F 30 only came in the 134 1/4" wheelbase..


#26: 327 pages NO NUMBER FORD CANADA, ILLUST. ARMY PARTS CATALOGUE 1940-42 FOR CDN. MIL. PATTERN VEHICLES. 8 CWT-4x2, 15CWT-4x2, 15CWT-4x4, 30CWT-4x4, 3-TON4x4, 3-TON-6x4, F.A. TRACTOR 4x4. (Jan. '42)

That was the first manual that I sent to Australia,10 years ago to my buddy,Rocket Rod Diery....
Chassis model number on the F 30 would be stamped.
C01QF for a '40-41 and C29Q for a '42 model F 30.....

[Bob Carriere]

Bonsoir Michel

Il semble que ton camion a sussiter beaucoup d'attention et d'interet.

It seems your truck attracted a lot of attention. So what is a F30s or a F60s that was mis-stamped????

Apres avoir tout relue je ne suis pas sure si c'est bien un F30s ou un F60s mal estampe.

Ta meilleur source d'information est probablement Rob Fast qui a presque termine sa restoration y incluant le canon antiaerien de marque Bofor. Il semble que notre resident expert en manuel Alex n'a j'aie vue dans sa collection un designation de F30 suivit d'un S.

Dit nous, ton camion a t'il une transmission de 4x4 a deux vitesse ou seulement une vitesse???? le F30 devrait avoir seulement qu'une vitesse.

I am asking Michel to confirm whether his truck as a single or two speed transfer case.

To anyone..... is the picture from Michel accurate to show a spare tire bracket inside the box???

Man this is becoming confusing...

Bob

[Keith Webb]

It would have to be a 2 speed to run the winch, I would have thought!

[Bob Carriere]

Keith

Is it safe to say that F or C30 would ALL be two speed Tcase or only those with the winch....???

When the winch and 2 speed t case is installed..... would they have the higher gear ratio of the 60 cwt???

15 cwt have a 6:39 axle ratio
30 cwt would have ...????the same ratio as a 60 cwt>>>

Or do C30 with a single speed t-case get the 15 cwt ratio of 6:39

If one checkes out the bolted joints on the C30....a re they always the larger size similar to the 60cwt.....???


Just trying to learn what mixes and matches for the next beer session.

Bob C.

[Keith Webb]

Probably the easiest way to describe a C30 or F30 is to think of it as a stretched 15CWT, so in the case of the Ford it has the light steering and steering ends, small front brake drums, single speed transfer case, high speed diffs (6 39) and 16" wheels.

I've seen some exceptions to this - for instance there are F60L models in Australia, the Stores version which used light steering but had a 2 speed transfer case with low ratio diffs (7 43) and 20" wheels; also our FGTs which were a 3-ton rating used the light steering, but with 2 speed transfer case and low ratio diffs on 20" wheels.
Here, the 30 CWT medium wheelbase chassis was mainly used for ambulances.

[Keith Orpin]

For clarification,
Chevrolet 30 cwt trucks equipped with winch, definately had a two speed transfer case, 10.50 x 16 tyres and small front axle ball joints. I'll check out the axle ratios later.
Michel, somewhere on this site you will also find details of my C30 LAAT and various pictures of her. The inside of your body has been completly stripped of all the original equipment. The spare wheel carrier is wrong, and being the 7D2 body would have had two spare wheel carrier mounts, one for the truck tyre and one for the gun tyre. there should be open kit bins on top of the lockers and a square frame work running down the length of the body for the spare gun barrel. On the end of this frame work there is a standard CMP seat facing backward, for some one to sit on and operate the brakes on the gun, when being towed.
I have some interior pictures of the rear body, which I'll post soon
Nice to another CMP being saved.
Keith

[Bob Carriere]

For Keith down under...... thanks for the clarification.... I have various C15 and C60 rolling frames but have yet to corner a C30 ........ although I know of one its the old story of it belongst to the old father in law who is going to restore it one day.....

For the other Keith in the UK...... its the first time a read a logical explanation of that single rear facing seat..... I always beleived it came with dunce hat!!!!!! ...but.... how would the person sitting facing the rear would know when to apply the brakes on the bofor????? from the seat of his pants or some sort of signaling device????

Always something to learn!!!

Bob C

[michel.m44]

voici un documents qu'on nous a donné pour le f30 LAAT

[Keith Orpin]

Bob C
Axle ratio for a C30 is 7.16:1 ( the same as a C60). I like the seat of his pants idea for knowing when to apply the gun brakes. Now, the other odd thing I have come across is that in 1940 a small book was produced for both the Chevrolet AND Ford. Just inside the front cover, it has a table of truck models. Both the C30 and the F30 are shown, as C30S and F30S. Quite how a 13 cab comes to have F30S on the plate I'm not sure, unless Ford had a load made earlier on, and where just using them up. I'll see if I can scan the page shortly.
Michel, I'm guessing your Ford is 42/43.
Keith

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Michel, nice truck!

Originally posted by Keith Orpin
Michel, I'm guessing your Ford is 42/43.

In that case the round roof hatch must be a later addition?

Hanno

[michel.m44]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
In that case the round roof hatch must be a later addition?

it isn't later addition it is original of manufacture