Cab11 F30S - border raiding

lynx42 · #1 08-07-10, 12:51

Well I'm home from South Australia with my new project.

It is a 1940 Ford Cab 11. 134"wb. with Chev Diffs.

The Bart Vanderveen Observer's Fighting Vehicle Directory (World War II) states"Very early Ford 30-cwt 4X4 trucks were designated F30S. the 'S' indicating short wheelbase, it was later omitted since there was no long-wheelbase version of this model. these early production models had GM banjo-type axles."

Now, the question is, What type of body was fitted to the F30S? What is available now?

The engine turns over and the drive line all works. Not too much rust in the cab. Missing is the drivers seat, and dog-house covers. Also missing are the 16" wheels. It came with 3 20" wheels only. Passenger door handle is also wrong. There is no ID plate, I think that it was attached to the missing dog-box panels.

So, just how rare is this one? Can't be too many out there nowdays.

Regards Rick.

lynx42 · #2 08-07-10, 12:55

There was the remains of a locally built tray which my have been part origonal. The front steel work may have been WW II. Have a look at the photo and let me know if they are the right bits.

There was also a C60L Cab12 and a few Cab 13's as well.

Regards Rick.

Bob Moseley (RIP) · #3 08-07-10, 13:29

Hi sneaky Rick - you got past me that time. Tell you what is rare though, finding a Cab 11 in South OZ. The only one I know of was border raided from NSW to here.

Bob

aj.lec · #4 08-07-10, 13:49

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Originally Posted by lynx42

There was also a C60L Cab12 and a few Cab 13's as well.

Regards Rick.

Congratulations

Nice pick up
Any cab 11 in OZ is rare
Looks like a cut cab from a sigvan sitting on the back

Keith Webb · #5 08-07-10, 14:07

A classic border raid Rick!

And what a wonderful vehicle too. Am I right in saying the assumption it is a F30 is based on a single speed transfer case?

Be interesting to see the engine number if it is the original. I'm sure some clever Canuck can tell you what body options there were.

If you have the "Canada's Fighting Vehicles" book there's one on page 62: Lorry, 30-CWT GS with a welded steel 10' long body used without a spare tyre carrier.

Keith Orpin · #6 08-07-10, 14:23

Nice find Rick, Interesting that it's fitted with helper springs, but no sign of a winch or front and rear fairleads,(unless they have been removed) which I think rules out specialist bodies, like Derrick or LAAT. I reckon she may have been a GS bodied Ford.

Regards to both you and Jill
Keith

cliff · #7 08-07-10, 23:06

The only thing rarer is an F30 cab 11 without the vents in the front.

Hanno Spoelstra · #8 08-07-10, 23:55

Rick,

Great find and recovery!

I think I have a picture of a suitable body somewhere, will look it up. Also have a look at http://davespages.ms11.net/cmpbody.html to see if you recognise any of the body's hardware.

Regards,
Hanno

Hanno Spoelstra · #9 09-07-10, 00:04

Here's a suggestion, it is one of the early trucks pictured in Crete in 1941:

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

In the thread Under New Management I posted a picture of a F30(?) 30-cwt truck:

Keith Webb · #10 09-07-10, 00:56

Those are all Australian bodies with high contrast photocopies from the DMV book so it wouldn't be one of those. The question is how it came to be here as it's a model from before Australian orders started. Best guess is it was brought back from the North African campaign along with all the C60L cab 12s we see here. It's definitely a rare thing in this country. Other examples of this type of thing are Mike Kelly's cab 11 C8, Howard Holgate's cab 12 F15 and Max Hedges C30 cab 11.

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Rick,

Great find and recovery!

I think I have a picture of a suitable body somewhere, will look it up. Also have a look at http://davespages.ms11.net/cmpbody.html to see if you recognise any of the body's hardware.

Regards,
Hanno

Keith Webb · #11 09-07-10, 00:58

The cut down cab on the back of the C60L looks like a wireless sigs.

lynx42 · #12 09-07-10, 04:36

Thank you all for your interest.

Andrew and Keith W, it is a sigs van front on the back of the C60L. There are another 8/9 blitzes in variour stages of decay around the yard. I took a lot of photos for you Keith with numbers where possible.

Cliff, I think this is more rare as it has the early lift rings on the front of the chassis and the chev diffs.

Keith O, good to hear from you Keith. Hows Dan?

Keith W. I'm sure it is a F30S as it is 134" WB and has small brakes on the front and it also has a 2 speed transfer-case.

Hanno, it is a good find and is relatively unmolested. Need a dog-box set though.

I did a walk around today and took some photos. Interesting to compare with my F60L cab12. there are so many differences.

I'll upload a few photos.
Regards Rick

lynx42 · #13 09-07-10, 05:10

Interesting that it has a glass rear window. Looks like it has been there since new.

The left headlight rim was nickel or chrome at some stage.

The right door handles are good but the left door is of a Cab12.

The battery holder lugs are both still there as well.

lynx42 · #14 09-07-10, 05:21

The hand brake mechanism is all there with it's cables to the rear wheels.

Both fuel tanks are saveable and complete with their taps etc.

One original mirror arm is quite OK.

The passenger seat is ok but only the runners for the drivers seat.

The right hand .303cal rifle holder brackets are there as well, but none on the left.

lynx42 · #15 09-07-10, 05:30

A modification to the track rod is interesting. Very well welded around the bends.

The choke nob is good also.

The door as the remains of a unit sign or two. There is both a triangle and a circle evident.

So now I have to work out how to get it off the trailer, onto wheels and into the protection of the shed.

Regards Rick.

lynx42 · #16 09-07-10, 05:38

A close-up of the lifting recovery rings attached to the chassis.

The spring bump stops are not too bad either.

The muffler looks a bit second-hand but at least it's the right sort, size and shape for reference.

Rick

Keith Webb · #17 09-07-10, 11:33

I have one of those which came from a cab 12 chassis.
It looks like you have a two speed transfer case - are you sure it isn't a F60S rather than a F30 (there was no "S" used with the 30cwt version)

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Originally Posted by lynx42

A close-up of the lifting recovery rings attached to the chassis.

The spring bump stops are not too bad either.

The muffler looks a bit second-hand but at least it's the right sort, size and shape for reference.

Rick

lynx42 · #18 09-07-10, 13:20

Keith,
I'm not 100% sure what I have.
After the early F30S, the "S" was dropped as there was no F30L.
I might have an F60S but the chassis is quite fine compared to my C60S. I'll do some measuring up tomorrow with the Cab12 F60L and the Cab 13 C60S.

Regards Rick.

Keith Orpin · #19 09-07-10, 13:59

Rick,
Surely the absence of helper springs and associated brackets on the rear chassis, point towards this being an F30 as opposed to an F60S ?. As for the transfer case, I thought all 30 cwt (Chev & Ford) had 2 speed transfer cases, I'll go and check some of my early manuals, just to be sure, to be sure !.
Still a real nice find, keep the pictures coming Rick
Regards
Keith
P.S. Dan's fine, his Phillips bicycle always has a lot of interest at the shows, and he is only too willing to tell people about it. I think he has plans on mounting a machine gun on another he/we are rebuilding !

lynx42 · #20 12-07-10, 12:38

Keith O,
This one has helper springs, BUT they are of a smaller size on the F30S than the ones on my F60L Cab12. The width is the same but instead of 3/8" thick they are 1/4" thick.
The chassis rails are also smaller in the web 2 3/4"X7" on the F30S and 3"X7" on the F60L.

I went to my library and guess what I found. Didn't know that I had it until I looked. This book:-

FORD
Illustrated
Army parts Catalogue
1940 - 1941

The helper springs are listed separetly but have the same numbers for both the F30S and the F60L.

There is no brake booster either.
Regards Rick

hrpearce · #21 12-07-10, 21:33

Hi Rick, if you need 16" rims I have 3 left not all bolts have nuts and the nuts that are on them are seased. I will be coming to Corowa on Saturday so let me know if I can help.

Max Hedges · #22 13-07-10, 00:22

good find Rick ... you are now a member of the Cab 11 club

that would make 4 cab 11 fords that I have heard of not counting the one Bob knows of in SA and 3 chevs.

Rusty has a cab13 ford that has the tow rings on the chassie but on closer look the cab has been put onto a 12 cab chassie or maybe it was a11cab also

the front panels of yours look to be fairly straight, it looks like the front air vents are moulded in the panel , on cab 12s the louvers are a seperate piece that is bolted on and also ford doors didn't have a liner on the inside like the chev ones from what I have found
Max

Mike Kelly · #23 13-07-10, 04:21

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Originally Posted by lynx42

The hand brake mechanism is all there with it's cables to the rear wheels.

Both fuel tanks are saveable and complete with their taps etc.

One original mirror arm is quite OK.

The passenger seat is ok but only the runners for the drivers seat.

The right hand .303cal rifle holder brackets are there as well, but none on the left.

Rick,

I thought they had a fixed mirror arm ... a tapered bit of steel with a 90 degree bend at the end for the mirror .

I spotted a cab 11 F15 4X2 at a clearance auction in Vic. 7 years ago.. sold for about $20 ... a club member attended the auction and didnt buy it

MIKE

lynx42 · #24 13-07-10, 07:32

According to the picture in the parts book, you are right Mike. I think this mirror arm is a retro fit, but the bracket is what made me think it was an original arm.
Rick

Howard · #25 13-07-10, 10:59

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Originally Posted by Max Hedges

...on cab 12s the louvers are a seperate piece that is bolted on and also ford doors didn't have a liner on the inside like the chev ones from what I have found...Max

Max, my remaining door on the old F15 has an internal skin. It may have been retro-fitted at some stage, however paint remnants match the rest of the body.(???)

Rick, nice find! Don't worry about what people say... I'm a fat bastard with size 11 boots & can still drive a 11/12 cab!

Max Hedges · #26 13-07-10, 12:58

Howard after further research cab 11 fords did have an iner skin on their doors
Max

lynx42 · #27 13-07-10, 14:01

Max, I'm glad about that as my right hand door has its inner skin and original handles and the left has the holes where the inner skin was screwed on.
Rick.

Hanno Spoelstra · #28 13-07-10, 19:30

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Originally Posted by lynx42

Hanno, it is a good find and is relatively unmolested. Need a dog-box set though.

Rick,

It is a very good find!

See Were is it now - Ford F30 with No 11 Cab? for the pictures I was looking for - sorry it took me a while to dig them up from the MLU archives. AFAIK, this is the earliest type of body mounted on these trucks, they were built and fitted in the UK on the first shipments of knocked-down CMPs coming in. This is the type of body I would put on it. I reckon there's a chance the remnants of the cargo body on your F30 turns out to have been one of these?

Hope this helps,
Hanno

Hanno Spoelstra · #29 17-07-10, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

AFAIK, this is the earliest type of body mounted on these trucks, they were built and fitted in the UK on the first shipments of knocked-down CMPs coming in.

And here is a wartime picture, showing a pair of Fords with this type of body while training in the UK.
(Source: Army transport 1939-1945 - data book of wheeled vehicles / edited by David Fletcher.)

HTH,
Hanno

lynx42 · #30 18-07-10, 11:23

Thanks Hanno,

Those photos will certainly be a help. The last photo is of Cab12's and on 20" wheels.

Picked up 3 16" wheels from Robert Pearce yesterday, so now have 5. One is wider than the other four. It is about 1" wider than the standard wheels so I don't know what that is off. At least I'll be able to unload it off the trailer ready for the next recovery.
Regards Rick.