Under New Management

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by servicepub

I have no idea what make/model this truck is but there is no doubt who owned it when photographed.

Clive..
I'm not positive but could be a M-H..
See the Ford design front axle housing for the front wheel drive..
But not positive.
And the front wheels and dual rear wheels..
All typical of M-H..

[KiwiKev]

Its a GMC ACK353 ex French Contract.
The reason for the Ford like front Diff is that they are Timken (split) diffs and they used Budd five stud wheels

All the best
Kevin

[Alex van de Wetering]

I agree with Kevin.....An ACK353 during it's ownership by the third (?) party.....French, German, Canadian.

Interesting picture Clive. Do you know where and when it was taken?





source: http://yemenclassiccars.tripod.com
(but likely to be borrowed from Bart VanderVeen's military vehicles directory)

[Keith Brooker]

photo taken off my original ww2 neg from 1940. can any one ID the sign on the Bedford looks like yellow blue yellow & L4164374 on the bedford & L181462 on the bonnet on its own = the German has the number 537 on his uniform shoulder strap with yellow around the edge.

[Keith Brooker]

This is the same bedford in the background with a close up of the german that is in the other photo that i have from my original colour negs collection. you can see the 537.

[Rich Payne]

L181462 relates, according to the Chilwell lists, to a Ford Lorry, 1 ton 4x2 GS (V3593 - L181101 - L181600).

I wonder if the marking that we're looking at on the off-side wing is the yellow top corner over blue of the tactical marking for a Royal Artillery Survey Regiment with a white bar below indicating Army troops ? It's my best guess from thumbing through Hodges & Taylor anyway.

[Rich Payne]

There's a couple of fascinating pictures on eBay.de at the moment :-

ebay 170556777285 & 170556790835



I'll leave it to the Ford and Chev fans to fight this one out !

[Bill Murray]

Well, Rich, the top photo is a Chev and the bottom one is a Ford.
As to exactly which models they are, I am not sure but they are really interesting photos.

Bill

[Keith Webb]

Yes, top photo is a Chevrolet C15 by the look of it, and not in Allied hands!

Originally Posted by Bill Murray

Well, Rich, the top photo is a Chev and the bottom one is a Ford.
As to exactly which models they are, I am not sure but they are really interesting photos.

Bill

[Keith Brooker]

on this photo is that a mg gun mount on the back? photo from my collection.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Brooker

on this photo is that a mg gun mount on the back? photo from my collection.

Keith,

It looks like a 20-mm gun mount. Those guns were frequently placed in the cargo box of captured vehicles. Also note they have cut away the side over the wheel arch for inmporved access; also note the wire on the side for the crew to hang their kit on.

Regards,
Hanno

PS: I have moved this posting to a related thread, rather than "In the background".

[Alex van de Wetering]

on this photo is that a mg gun mount on the back? photo from my collection.

Keith, maybe even a Flak gun, considering the size of the parts visible. Maybe Italian Breda?

Love those F8s, especially the one with the Fortress nose.

I agree...would be nice to see a replica of one of these one day.

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another Ford under new management . . . but only just, they have not been able to do anything more than chalk "WL" (Wehrmacht Luftwaffe) on the door.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787...7605269786717/

[Alex van de Wetering]

Wow,

Excellent find Hanno! The quality of this pic is surprising.

Alex

[zemsi]

... wonderful pics, Hanno.

And here's a Monkey Face Gun Tractor from the same user
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787...7605269786717/

[Bob Carriere]

....unfortunately it cannot be copied to my computer....

Interesting to notice the fender top seat cushions at the back...and the glass rear window as opposed to the sliding sheet metal.....

The box seems to be wood.... but not sure since I cannot see any seperation between the boards.... or is it rivited steel....?

Bob

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

....unfortunately it cannot be copied to my computer....

Interesting to notice the fender top seat cushions at the back...and the glass rear window as opposed to the sliding sheet metal.....

The box seems to be wood.... but not sure since I cannot see any seperation between the boards.... or is it rivited steel....?

Bob

Hi Bob

Just sent you the photo at large size in your e-mail.

Cheers Phil

[Bob Carriere]

This is a good picture of an early Cab 11 Ford..... no roof hatch.... good visual of the mud flaps.... box details.....which I am now convinced is steel 2B1...tai light..... and actual mud splatter of front line driving..... rigid mirror post..... too bad the pit helmet is hidding the mirror.

Bob

[Keith Brooker]

I have just bought this ID plate.

Truck 3 Ton 4 WHLD GS Body Mark ?.
Vauxhall Motors Ltd 1939.
Luton England.
Contract No V3731.
WD No WT.

This plate was dug up in the Stalingrad Area . I know it says Vauxhall but i think it is a Bedford 3 ton truck [ Vauxhall made Bedfords], so the truck may have come from the BEF in 1940 and must have been just a year old when left. The plate / truck must have been hit as the plate has a big dent in it. I have a few ID plates from trucks but they do not have the WD Number or the Wait of the Veh stamped in the plate? Original Photo from my collection.

[Keith Brooker]

one more photo of a bedford in German use. Original from my collection. The other photo [above] was of a twin wheel bedford so not the right one?.

[Maurice Donckers]

I have the same plate on my Bedford MW body .

[Keith Brooker]

Does it have the same contract number as the plate i have has 3 ton and a bedford MW is 15 Cwt, then they were up rated to 1 ton after the war. Original photo from my collection.

[Rich Payne]

Another couple of Afrika shots from eBay.de

[lynx42]

Whilst NOT YET in enemy hands, these vehicles were photographed in Singapore not long before the Japs invaded.

Found on:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787...th/5441311842/

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by lynx42

Whilst NOT YET in enemy hands, these vehicles were photographed in Singapore not long before the Japs invaded.

Found on:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787...th/5441311842/

looks like a black&white photo been coloured in

[Oliver Missing]

Another couple of Afrika shots from eBay.de

Great find, Rich, thanks.

Part of the photo has been published in Squadron/Signal's "Italian Truck-Mounted Artillery" by well-known Italian specialist Nicola Pignato with the inscription :

"A front view of the F15 with the Breda Model 39. Two ammunition boxes are placed near the spare tire, behind the driver's position. The commander is a sergeant. The weapon posed a danger to Allied aircraft below 2,000 meters (about 6,700 feet)."

You can find additional info on the bottom of my site :
www.o5m6.de/wehrmacht/2cm_Breda.html

The truck folowing the F15 is a captured Morris CS8 15-cwt with an Italian Autocannone da 65/17 mounted onto the truck bed. The Italian Regio Esercito had some 30+ vehicles in service in 1942.

-Oliver.

[zemsi]

Originally Posted by Oliver Missing

Part of the photo has been published in Squadron/Signal's "Italian Truck-Mounted Artillery" by well-known Italian specialist Nicola Pignato with the inscription

You can download this nice little book for a preview by googleing. There are some nice pics of captured Cab 11 and 12.

[Rich Payne]

The Italian photo is an official German agency one from the look of it. My apologies for not showing the reverse.

[Rich Payne]

...who will certainly appreciate the comments on the back...



"Brit beute wg Morris sind viel besser als unsere"

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by Rich Payne

"Brit beute wg Morris sind viel besser als unsere"

Translation: beaut Morris with besser brick bodywork.