Need to know how these work, please

Hi lads , i'm a bit confused on sum things can someone enlighten me please? part CTL-35A how do these to parts work with the pivot plate CTL-36, How does it warp the track? is thier anyone out thier makeing new pivot plates and Rods? and the 2, 35A parts also? any help would be great! thanks




BiG MIKE

[Lynn Eades]

Your cam plate is mounted on a bearing on a stub axle on the floor. when the steering turns the cam plate, it shifts the cross tube(via the rollers) to one side, (say left) this moves your double bogies all to the left,distorting the centre of the track to the left. (max 3/8 inch) causing the carrier to turn slightly to the right(15 degrees) To explain that a bit more the carrier follows the direction of the curve in the track as it would appear if you were looking down from above. (if you observe a couple of "in use" track links on the pin, you will notice the lateral clearance which allows the links to shift sideways.)To make your right turn tighter you would turn the steering wheel further to the right.This brings into play the appliction of the right brake.

One of the Aussies should be able to post pictures and diagrams to explain all of this.

When you have it all figured out how it all works then you will understand why the adjustments are so important for the smooth functioning of the whole deal.
Hope this helps

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi Big Mike
I don't know how close the Oz Carriers are to yours, but the principals should be the same. The following images are from a 1941 Workshop Manual and some of my restoration.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

The finer details

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Pitted but works

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

There are two of these bolted to the hull cross shaft. The pins are eccentric allowing adjustment of the rollers to the plate.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

An over view image. Have fun with your Carrier.

I have several mates who own Pommie Carriers so if you can send details of your Carrier nomenclature I can see if it is similar to theirs and maybe other assistance can be forthcoming.

Bob

[Lynn Eades]

The lay out is to all intents and purposes the same. but things are different behind the rear plate, so Big Mike needs his adjustment info from the Canadian (or Brit) carrier manual. The main differences are;
The parts mounted on the removable plate in the Aust carriers are direct to the floor in the Eng/Can carriers
Your brake (and clutch pedal are round in section. Mike's will have a flat plated pedal
Your pivot points are spigoted to the floorand welded
Mikes are on triangular plates and held with c/sunk screws.
Yours is all UNF, Mikes is all BSF.
A very few parts will interchange (Cam plate rollers will)
To apply the brakes on the Aust carrier requires a forward pull at the back plate whereas the Eng/Can carriers have bisectors requiring a pull toward the centre of the axle.

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by BIG MIKE
Hi lads , i'm a bit confused on sum things can someone enlighten me please? part CTL-35A how do these to parts work with the pivot plate CTL-36, How does it warp the track? is thier anyone out thier makeing new pivot plates and Rods? and the 2, 35A parts also? any help would be great! thanks




BiG MIKE

Hi Mike...
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I knew It Thanks LYNN!!! THATS what are missing is the 2 Brackets with the rollors!!! BOB your info ENLIGHTEN me so much!!! Lads is thier anyone one Out thier that can reproduce these 2 brackets/rollors?CTL-35A. Plus a pivot plateCTL-36, your pics are exactly the same as my Pivot plate is. The CTL 34's holding the pivot plate on mine are in great shape, thiers less pitting on everything.


On my pivot plate the prevous owner took a grinding wheel and cut of about 1" of the left side of the plate rendering it usless for the rollors, so now i see he used the brakes to turn the carrier, witch is bad This would make my life alot easyer if I can get those rollor brackets and P. Plate thanks Lads, Cheers



Big Mike

ALEX thier Knocking on my DOOR NOW , I'm hiding under my bed, Wife a Mk1 bren barrel sticking out LOL




B.Mike

[Lynn Eades]

You should be able to get your cam plate repaired at a welding shop.

Yes I was at a welding shop today , They can make me a new plate, ThankGod for that , I'm a Big guy so when I stuck my fat head into that little cramped compartment ware those 2 bracket rollors are, I noticeed beyond belief thier was one still attached BUT!!!! the rollor never moved so i need to take it out and unfreeze it, but still any Canadians out thier make these parts?CTL-35A???, I'll be starting on my new muffler system in AM just piecing the pipe before I order my mufflers, anywho hope everyones enjoying a pint like I am rite now!!!


CHEERS, BIG MIKE

[chris vickery]

Contact cmp_uc_guy aka Rob Groves here on the forum. I believe he has the CAD template to manufacture the plate you need. As far as the block, I'm not sure.

Thankyou Chris for your help and info , MUCH appreciated!


Cheers


BIG MIKE

Salesman Bob, is that a repro bracket you made or an orginal one, is that the type thats on the Aussi UC's? looks fairly easy to mill. rather buy one



yours in restoration................... BIG MIKE

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi Big Mike
The images I posted are all of original parts from a 1941 South Australian Railways manufactured Carrier.
Bob