Side screen schematics

[Harry Moon]

I did try but failed to find an old link to some great technical drawings of the side screens, particularly the canvas. I had printed it out a long time ago but can only find a couple of incomplete pages. I thought it was on Phil Watermans site but can’t find it. Can someone send me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This page?

http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.com/Posting.html

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Harry,

Attached is a photo I took of an Australian Ford CMP Cab 13 Side screen.

Perhaps someone here knows if both Ford and Chevy ones were the same and if the ones on Australian vehicles were locally produced and a different design to the Canadian ones. This design has two flat bar steel frames with the canvas sandwiched between them.

I drew up plans of that steel frame about 6 years ago. I can post it here if it helps. I am reasonably sure of the dimensions but at the time of taking them the owner was giving me a bit of a hurry up. I asked if I could borrow it for a week but he wasn't willing to do that. Bet it is still sitting out in the open in central Victoria rotting away.

Cheers,

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Hi Harry,

Attached is a photo I took of an Australian Ford CMP Cab 13 Side screen.

Perhaps someone here knows if both Ford and Chevy ones were the same and if the ones on Australian vehicles were locally produced and a different design to the Canadian ones. This design has two flat bar steel frames with the canvas sandwiched between them.

I drew up plans of that steel frame about 6 years ago. I can post it here if it helps. I am reasonably sure of the dimensions but at the time of taking them the owner was giving me a bit of a hurry up. I asked if I could borrow it for a week but he wasn't willing to do that. Bet it is still sitting out in the open in central Victoria rotting away.

Cheers,

Hi Jacques

I have a WW2 era GMH side screen . Like you I did some drawings, Keith W had them on his CMP site . The GMH version looks pretty much like your Ford example. Think the forward flap fasteners that are on the w/screen frame are a different style , a GMH / Ford difference. I may have uploaded the drawings to MLU. I believe i purchased the side curtain at the Mike C clearing sale up at Castella ?

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

Hi Jacques

I have a WW2 era GMH side screen . Like you I did some drawings, Keith W had them on his CMP site . The GMH version looks pretty much like your Ford example. Think the forward flap fasteners that are on the w/screen frame are a different style , a GMH / Ford difference. I may have uploaded the drawings to MLU. I believe i purchased the side curtain at the Mike C clearing sale up at Castella ?

Hi Mike,

Yes, the Ford and Chev curtains are different where the canvas attaches to the windscreen frame.

Ford uses Lift the Dot type and Chev uses Turn Button type. See attached examples from a Peter Jackson Catalogue.

Have included one of the four drawings of the Ford frame I drew up.

Cheers,

[Harry Moon]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This page?

http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.com/Posting.html

I thought that was where I saw them, but no it was line drawings that showed all the measurements and folds. I printed it all out back in the day but I can only find the one page now in my sort of filing system.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Harry

That drawings of the canvas or frames rings a bell, I'll go looking in my old computer and see if can find them. I've still got my original canvas also to look at maybe I can photograph them against a ruled background.

Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Harry Moon

I thought that was where I saw them, but no it was line drawings that showed all the measurements and folds. I printed it all out back in the day but I can only find the one page now in my sort of filing system.

Harry,

oldcmp.net was Keith Webb's website - he may still have the files?

[M.Morren]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Harry,

oldcmp.net was Keith Webb's website - he may still have the files?

Keith's website is still accessible on the web archive.
These drawings are of the Australian GMH side curtains though. There are some differences between these and the Canadian ones. (mainly the canvas)

Page 1
Page 2
Page 3

I can make some drawings of my frames if no drawings exist of the Canadian versions. Some details seem to be the same though. So these could definitely be used for reference.

[M.Morren]

Originally Posted by M.Morren

Keith's website is still accessible on the web archive.

I'll post the drawings here for future reference (in case the web archive becomes inaccessible for some reason).
(Drawings by Mike Kelly)

[M.Morren]

Second batch of drawings.

[M.Morren]

Third and final batch. Including photos of the Australian frames.

[Harry Moon]

Great you found them and got them up, need to be here for posterity and future reference.

[Jacques Reed]

Good Day,

Comparing my drawing of a Ford curtain frame to a Chevy one I noticed a difference in the dimensions.

The Chevy one is shown as 34-1/2" overall length of the frame. On the Ford sample I measured it is only 32". This length seems consistent for a Ford as the top of the door is 34" long and a picture of one fitted on a door taken from inside the door shows the forward part about 2" back from the front of the door.
This concurs with my 32" overall length.

I have included the hole spacing on the frame parts. As previously mentioned I didn't have a lot of time with the frame so even though I worked as accurately as possible I cannot give 100% assurance everything is correct.

If anyone has an original frame from an Australian Ford CMP and could check my dimensions it would be great "peer review".

Cheers,

[m606paz]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Hi Mike,

Yes, the Ford and Chev curtains are different where the canvas attaches to the windscreen frame.

Ford uses Lift the Dot type and Chev uses Turn Button type. See attached examples from a Peter Jackson Catalogue.

Have included one of the four drawings of the Ford frame I drew up.

Cheers,

Hi Jacques
Late 1945 C15A arrived to Argentina, have Lift the Dot stud attach to windscreen frame.

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Mariano,

Interesting. Just proves how many users of the CMP's had local variations.
From what I have seen in Australia the Ford had lift the dot and Chev had turn post button type. The post war manufactured screens all were turn post from what I have seen and therefore only fitted Chev.

I noticed on your screens the width of the metal pieces seemed wider than the ones I photographed in Australia. Just another local or later variation perhaps?

Cheers,

[m606paz]

Jacques

One of late C15A with Lift the Dot type fasteners on windshield frame

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32055

[m606paz]

C15A wire 3 Jordan Baker lift the dot fastener

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Did anyone make any drawings/ took dimensions of the Canadian made side screens?