Round seven of Name That Vehicle, (Texas especially)

Originally posted by Richard Farrant
Derek,

. . . . . got you ferretting through . . . . .

Richard

Oooooo, you are a wag. . . . . . . .



R.

Originally posted by sapper740
But I enjoy this "Name that Vehicle" thread as I hope you all do too.

I most certainly do.

I try to throw a little humour in and I hope no one takes offence at my short descriptions of the winners, it's all in jest.

No chance of offence here, keep at it.

Please keep challenging me, as it is how I learn.

We'll try, there are lessons in it all, even when severely obtuse.

R.

[Snowtractor]

methinks this is a replica of the 222 , the 223 would have been the radio version with large steel frame radio antenna. The 221 carrying the Mg instead of the 2 cm. Of course there are other versions but they are obviously not this.
Sean

Originally posted by sapper740 [/B]

Christie suspension? Vas is los? Looks like T-34 running gear,

T55

with a Tiger turret,

Built around a Saladin turret.

but that wouldn't be proportional.

In fact it is only 20mm too narrow in width to be exactly Tiger size.

This is a tank that has been cobbled together, probably for a movie or something.

Especially for "Sam's Circus" I believe and only shown in the US. Hardly cobbled too, pretty good I'd say although the road wheel arrangement cannot ever be replicated without being real and therefore prohibitive.

Just to keep things fair, we should try to stick to vehicles that have actually existed in a country's arsenal.

I didn't know the T55 wasn't in the USSR arsenal.

And what of the original commander and its loss? Be assured the markings are dead accurate.

As for the armoured car, I was certain it was a Leichter PanzerSpahWagen, but as we all know, I've been wrong before. Let me do a little further research and I'll get back to you.

Also in a country's arsenal and you should look behind Richard F's excellent humour. . . . . . . . . . .

R.

Well, just one more to try your patience, probably in the wrong place though as it isn't WWII, however.

I could be sneaky and post you all manner of Ural and Dnepr combinations purporting to be Wehrmacht vehicles, but the net is full of them, you have to be cautious.

Now, what have we here; I'm sure Richard F will give you time to cogitate but make no mistake, simply Land Rover S1 or the like will not do; not do at all. The FV number or the particular description only is acceptable. . . . . . . . . . .

R.

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally posted by sapper740
My guess would be some sort of Leichter PanzerSpahWagen, perhaps a SdKfz 222?


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(Whats German for CHIMO!?)

Prost!...mit gemutlichkeit.

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally posted by FV623
Well, just one more to try your patience, probably in the wrong place though as it isn't WWII, however.

I could be sneaky and post you all manner of Ural and Dnepr combinations purporting to be Wehrmacht vehicles, but the net is full of them, you have to be cautious.

Now, what have we here; I'm sure Richard F will give you time to cogitate but make no mistake, simply Land Rover S1 or the like will not do; not do at all. The FV number or the particular description only is acceptable. . . . . . . . . . .

R.

...so, if it's a B40, 2.8 litre,4 cyl, 81" wb...that doesn't count?

It really doesn't quite look like the 1948 Series I.

[sapper740]

Originally posted by FV623
T55 Built around a Saladin turret.In fact it is only 20mm too narrow in width to be exactly Tiger size.Especially for "Sam's Circus" I believe and only shown in the US. Hardly cobbled too, pretty good I'd say although the road wheel arrangement cannot ever be replicated without being real and therefore prohibitive.I didn't know the T55 wasn't in the USSR arsenal.

And what of the original commander and its loss? Be assured the markings are dead accurate.
Also in a country's arsenal and you should look behind Richard F's excellent humour. . . . . . . . . . .

R.

O.K., hang on a sec. You're telling me that a 1960's vintage British turret on a 1950's vintage Russian hull with 1940's vintage German markings is kosher!?! Exactly which country had this vehicle, as shown in the picture? The National Socialist Royal Union of Bolshevik Imperialist Europe? I guess the King's English and American English have drifted farther apart than I thought. I used to know what the word "authenticity" meant.

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
...so, if it's a B40, 2.8 litre,4 cyl, 81" wb...that doesn't count?

It really doesn't quite look like the 1948 Series I.

I'm impressed. Even the colonial radiomen know their stuff and all aboot LRs.

Of course it is; even if the hole for the rad cap is almost invisible, I just wonder if Skags didn't deduce it wouldn't quite be an ordinary LR and work from there.

A genuine production item although only something like 54 were eventually made; not surprising when the whole LR cost 450 quid, the replacement B40 some 200 quid and you still had to pay for the modification work. Of course the standard LR did the same job without the fiddle and expense of fitting the RR B40, surprising the powers didn't notice earlier.

FV18001. Truck, ¼ ton, GS, Cargo, Rover, Mk1.

R.

Originally posted by sapper740
O.K., hang on a sec. You're telling me that a 1960's vintage British turret on a 1950's vintage Russian hull with 1940's vintage German markings is kosher!?! Exactly which country had this vehicle, as shown in the picture? The National Socialist Royal Union of Bolshevik Imperialist Europe? I guess the King's English and American English have drifted farther apart than I thought. I used to know what the word "authenticity" meant.

Russia.

Its a T55, and apart from the turret, exists as such under the "camo" sheet steel.

I know, I've driven it and its dreadful; the fake and real access apertures are 2ft apart and mis-aligned by about a 18" sideways necessitating a 45º bodily slant to get in; fine for flexible young things but somewhat difficult for creaky 1.9178016m old farts.

Once in of course then head out is preferable, but head out is still inside the outer sheet body, and the "Tiger" vision (I use the word, vision, loosely) slot is some 2½ feet in front; "limited" doesn't exactly do it justice.

However, it gets worse.

Necessarily the turret area is void of all original fittings and is just a cavernous, thick, armoured steel, sound box with a 37 litre V12 diesel, some exhaust leaks and several slack couplings directly behind.

Together with the above and the brutally agricultural nature of Russian tanks, the experience is truly frightening, 15mins is hell, half an hour is purgatory.

The exterior presentation, as we have seen is excellent, accurate paint, fake zimmerit (P38 here, Bondo there) and the markings do depict a real Tiger turret number 134 commanded by SS-Unterschaftführer Willi Fey of s.SS.Pz.Abt.102; and of a couple years back, he was still with us.

Now, stop thinking of little scrubbing brushes and/or upsidedown Christmas trees for ground connections and consider what connects any _vehicle_ to the ground. Then, as Richard rightly says, do some ferreting about on the so-called Sd.Kfz.222

Oh dear, bed time again, in fact its Monday morning already. Must dash.

R.

[Snowtractor]

...well that would be gravity...lol...wheels, tracks , skis, etc etc.
Could this 222 be a heavily modified Ferret looking at the tread pattern on the tires?
Sean

[tankbarrell]

It uses an Abbot turret....I know, I made it!

[sapper740]

O.K. guys, we've had some specious submissions to this thread so I think in order to avoid confusion in the future we should concurrently run two versions of "Name that Vehicle"



As I see it, Version 1 will limit itself to displaying AUTHENTIC military vehicles that were either tested or taken on strength by the military of a recognized country. Prototypes accepted. Any mods will have been performed by a country's arsenal or a shop contracted by the aforementioned country.


Version 2 is wide open to anything. In fact, let's rename it. How about, " Don't guess what I'm trying to portray, I want you to guess what mish mash of extemporaneous bits and pieces I've cobbled together here."


O.K.? So, for future submissions to "Name that Vehicle" would you kindly state if it is Version 1 or a Version 2. Your cooperation is appreciated!





It's time to play "VERSION 1 of NAME THAT VEHICLE!"

[sapper740]

Originally posted by sapper740
O.K. guys, we've had some specious submissions to this thread so I think in order to avoid confusion in the future we should concurrently run two versions of "Name that Vehicle"



As I see it, Version 1 will limit itself to displaying AUTHENTIC military vehicles that were either tested or taken on strength by the military of a recognized country. Prototypes accepted. Any mods will have been performed by a country's arsenal or a shop contracted by the aforementioned country.


Version 2 is wide open to anything. In fact, let's rename it. How about, " Don't guess what I'm trying to portray, I want you to guess what mish mash of extemporaneous bits and pieces I've cobbled together here."


O.K.? So, for future submissions to "Name that Vehicle" would you kindly state if it is Version 1 or a Version 2. Your cooperation is appreciated!





It's time to play "VERSION 1 of NAME THAT VEHICLE!"

Sorry, had problems with the pic.

[Snowtractor]

PzKpfw IV ausf H with 7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48 gun. Still has 4 return rollers though in the H they were all steel. In the ausf J mid production they reduced the return rollers to 3 and the road wheels were all steel.
In the pic here the road wheels are still rubber lined. Also the Ausf H had a new front sprocket that was welded spoked construction. HOwever , I can not find any picture or mention of a rear spoked Pzkpw IV , so I wonder if that feature of this tank is not correct and was expediant in field or for display so the track could be mounted.

Sean

ps note the Grasshopper on the right background
pps unless this is one of the Syrian Panzer IV'S H models that they bought from Russia, France and someone else . They were essentially identical with a few minor mods. The mods could have been removed and they would look indentical with their WWII counterpart, except if they used the spoked return roller in a slightly elevated position I might add.

[sapper740]

Originally posted by Snowtractor
PzKpfw IV ausf H
Sean

ps note the Grasshopper on the right background

Sean, in order to win this one you're going to have to get very detailed about the description.

Continue....

Originally posted by tankbarrell
It uses an Abbot turret....I know, I made it!

'Course it was, brain fade. I knew it came from something '60 and I recalled the wrong 50/50 chance.

Incidentally, I see CMB has container loads of stuff for sale and is "moving premises". . . . . . . .

R.

[tankbarrell]

Incidentally, I see CMB has container loads of stuff for sale and is "moving premises". . . . . . . .

Indeed, yet more houses going up.....