AOP scout car

Mike Kelly · #1 01-02-13, 08:49

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Mike Kelly · #2 01-02-13, 08:52

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Big D · #3 01-02-13, 09:53

Hi Mike,

Great pictures! Is that camouflage pattern of a type seen on these vehicles during the WW2 period or post-war?

Am still thinking about the paint for my one.

Cheers

Darryl

Mike Kelly · #4 01-02-13, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Big D

Hi Mike,

Great pictures! Is that camouflage pattern of a type seen on these vehicles during the WW2 period or post-war?

Am still thinking about the paint for my one.

Cheers

Darryl

hi Darryl

That is the WW2 camo scheme . It is not easy to be definitive about colours , but at a guess, the lighter colour is a buff yellowy colour and the darker shade is green .

Big D · #5 01-02-13, 22:07

Hi Mike

Thanks for that. I always liked the paint pattern on the M3A1 Scout Car at Bandiana which is very similar to the patterns in these photos but thought that the lighter colour on that one could have had a shade more yellow in it.

Any other pointers on trying to get a match on the 'buff yellowy' colour'?

Cheers

Darryl

Dianaa · #6 01-02-13, 22:40

Hi Darrell

The July 1942 two colour cam scheme were officially "khaki green ASC J" base colour with "Light earth ASC W" paint manufacturers/wholsalers like Protec have the Australian Standard Colour charts and can usually produce a formula using modern paints and synthetic tints.

Diana

BTW: By November 1942 the standard cam scheme changed to a three colour scheme replacing light earth with vehicle grey and adding dark green.

Note 2. BSC colours do not always match ASC colours.

Big D · #7 02-02-13, 19:23

Hi Diana

Thanks for that. Very interesting. I must keep an eye out now for any photos of that three tone scheme.

Cheers

Darryl Lennane

Mike Cecil · #8 04-02-13, 21:57

Darryl,

Be very careful with the various schemes quoted: it is but a fraction of the story, and of course, not always followed in the field anyway - in fact, far from it.

First 3 colour (1 base colour, 2 disruptive colours) for the AMF was January 1942 as an alternate scheme. Further 3 tone schemes were promulgated for general use within the AMF in March 1943.

1st Infantry Division (an AMF training division) issued a special amendment in Nov 1942 which contained only a 2 tone scheme that substituted Vehicle Dark Green for the base colour KG3, and Vehicle Light Grey for Light Earth. The Veh Light Grey was a greenish colour anyway.

1 Div did not introduce a 3 tone scheme until March 1943, which was that contained in LHQ SM4809 (just like the rest of the AMF).

Prior to July 1942, the scheme was Light Stone (ASC 'N') and KG3 (Khaki Green ASC 'J'). In July 1942, the colour Light Earth (ASC 'W') was substituted for Light Stone (ASC 'N'). I suspect the 'yellowish' colour to which you refer is an attempt to reproduce the Light Stone.

All Australian Standard Colours (ASC) were 'lettered' from White (ASC 'A') to Light Earth (ASC 'W'). They were devised by not by Army, but a Division of the Department of Home Security. The standard colour chart was issued by the Standards Association of Australia. There were three issues as far as I am aware: Dec 41, Feb 42, January 43.

I wrote a book on the subject many years ago. The unpublished manuscript still resides on my office shelf.....

Mike C

cliff · #9 04-02-13, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

I wrote a book on the subject many years ago. The unpublished manuscript still resides on my office shelf.....

Mike C

Mike it would be nice if you published a few copies of it. I for one would love to add it to my reading material

Mike Cecil · #10 05-02-13, 22:28

Cliff,

Far toooo expensive: it was hundreds of pages (A4) and included a list of Unit signs in numeric order (much easier to use that way) and a re-draw (with corrections) of every camouflage pattern I could find an official reference for. It spanned the period 1937 to 1946. It's now just my hard copy reference.

I've also compiled a dictionary of 10,000 Australian military abbreviations and printed one hard-bound copy, but again, toooo great an expense to warrant bothering with further copies.

Ah well....

Mike C

lynx42 · #11 05-02-13, 23:20

Mike, you could just share all that information with us all by putting it on a DVD/CD.

I for one would purchase one and I am sure that others would as well. I have all your "Profiles', Mud and Dust and a few other Mike Cecil productions.

You always have a great product.

Regards Rick.

BTW. Did you copy all the AWM 126's?

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Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

Cliff,

Far toooo expensive: it was hundreds of pages (A4) and included a list of Unit signs in numeric order (much easier to use that way) and a re-draw (with corrections) of every camouflage pattern I could find an official reference for. It spanned the period 1937 to 1946. It's now just my hard copy reference.

I've also compiled a dictionary of 10,000 Australian military abbreviations and printed one hard-bound copy, but again, toooo great an expense to warrant bothering with further copies.

Ah well....

Mike C

Mike Cecil · #12 05-02-13, 23:43

Just extracted what I needed/thought might be useful, unfortunately - bit far to go and re-check things now!!

Mike C

Jim Burrill · #13 11-02-13, 05:16

Sounds like a rgeat candidate for being published as an "e-Book". One where you ahve the book contents and images uploaded to a seller, and then it can be purchased and printed "on demand" when ever someone buys it. No advance costs for printing a 1,000 copies to sit in the garage!

When someone buys it, you get sent a royalty.

Big D · #14 11-02-13, 07:18

Mike,

Great info on the colour schemes.

Add my name to those very interested in your book!

Cheers.

Darryl Lennane

Mrs Vampire · #15 19-03-13, 01:24

me too

Tony Smith · #16 19-03-13, 02:59