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Old 08-11-19, 15:55
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Default Canadian snow related equipment post WW2

After discussion with Hanno I am posting here for the minute and maybe in the future he might move it.

So, please, one and all, if you have something related to being a soldier sailor or airman that is specific to winter operations and not part of a vehicle, this is the spot for it to go.

Please try to keep on topic and not have thread creep.
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Old 08-11-19, 16:03
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Default 10 man tent pole

I find it fascinating how such a simple piece of kit as a tent pole can end up with some complex and intricate engineering and design.

I have two examples in my collection, the orange one I have two of and will willingly part with FYI

The orange one has a date of 1973 on it but when it first came into service or went out I dont know.

The pole has a cap that unthreads and then sections deploy with a bayonet lug internally holding each section up and final height setting is with a cross pin at the bottom which mine is missing.

The spike on the top has a cross drilled hole for what I am not sure, maybe a washer and R clip.

The bottom has a dimple and I am sure there was a base plate but I do not have one.

It is from an era when all snow kit was orange for finding in the snow
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Old 08-11-19, 16:11
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Default 10 man tent pole

The second design is mostly aluminum and is equally complex in design and materials and manufacture.

Firstly it has a meaty hing mechanism instead of several sections.

The fine tuning of height or final adjustment is done by means of a threaded section. However for speed, the nylon type locking collar can be slid out of the way and then that section can be telescoped and then slide the collar back and final threading can take place.

I have pictures of them side by side for comparison and size.

I have to thank Eric Booth for very generously giving these to me knowing I am collecting items snow related. Thanks mate.
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Old 08-11-19, 16:45
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Default Sled mans or toboggan small

This next item is a bit of a curiosity as I have not seen them before and because of the documentation that Eric Booth gave me that was attached at the time he acquired it. Documentary evidence is always interesting.

It seems this was a small one person toboggan and hauled using a harness rig and some cordage which I do not have but will recreate in due time. The material for the toboggan is fiberglass with that weird engineered pressed wood stuff as the runners held on by rivets.

The green harness is alleged to have been for it. Interesting is the name for it.
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Old 08-11-19, 17:09
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Default Sled / toboggan disposal tag

I wasn't able to include this above as I had reached my image limit.
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Old 08-11-19, 17:13
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The hole on top of the poles was normally for a washer and a cotter pin. The soldiers were forever coming to me for the pins, as they would bend it over each time and wreck them. The reason for the pin you ask? Because the guy who would crawl into the tent to place the pole into the hole (he was called the pole man) would have to stand there until the rest of the guys got tension onto the guy ropes.

At one point I actually made up washers with a little chain and the pin, hoping they would quit losing them. It didn't take long before I quit making those up. Perhaps if I painted them orange.

There were also those little plastic orange tent pegs...useless in the arctic temps with frozen ground. They would be replaced by 10 or 12" steel spikes. Of course, when you went to move the troops would merely toss the guy ropes with nails still attached and fold up the tent. That way, when they set it up again, they could have that planetarium effect of seeing daylight thorough the dozens of holes that were now in the canvas. The mat techs would then scrap the tent, depending on how many holes there were. Remember they got a fresh set of dozens of holes for each teardown and movement.

Re the toboggans, those 100 pound ones could be found in aluminum or fiberglass. There is also a white canvas cover for them, similar to that used on the 200 pound toboggan. Some of the toboggans can be found with the C/l\ on them along with the other nomenclature, although I have only seen post war versions of these toboggans. I used to keep one in my MRT as it was perfect for moving vehicle battery's along the gun line when you had to do repairs on the M109s. .
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Old 08-11-19, 17:48
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Rob, if ever you see a cover there is a home here for it. I understand about the pin and washer on the top of the poles. Understandable.

As far as the pegs and the resultant holes I have seen that first hand when out with the CF and the reaming troops got when the QM staff saw it gong on.

I was about talk about pegs in another post.
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Then there are skis and poles. These ones look like they date from 1983. The plastic bails on the poles are aged and brittle and the plastic sole that holds the heel piece is hard and brittle: both these parts did not age well and likely are broken on surviving examples. The Stock Number on the skis is 8465-21-886-9311, probably made by KKW Sport.
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Old 04-12-19, 00:52
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The NSN is from the 1988 time period.

Ooops, I meant late 70s. Pretty bad when I start mixing up my decades. In fact, when I look up the number, it shows an assignment date of 1981.

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Old 04-12-19, 04:20
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Good point Rob. I mis-interpreted what may be a part number (DND 83) for a contract date. Checked my Canadian microfiche from 1985 and it does not go this high in part numbers.
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Old 04-12-19, 16:16
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Anyone have any of the skis or poles for sale?
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Old 27-12-19, 15:47
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An opportunity presented itself a couple of weeks ago but I was unable to say anything at the time owing to Operation St. Nick OPSEC restrictions. Needless to say that restriction is now over and I can reveal what Santa left me. He did an awful job of wrapping it, it was casually left n the bed of the truck, but hey ho its home.

A somewhat dated version, 1970 if my eyes don't deceive me, but looks like every other toboggan I have seen except that the painted markings are new to me.

This was quite a score as far as I am concerned, in as much as it is complete and not damaged, just heavily used. As a welder I love the symmetry of the tig welds down the runner troughs on the underside. I am not sure exactly what the runners themselves are made from, I may have some new ones coming, we will see.

As far as the cover goes, I have a new one on the shelf but will wait a while before I fit that as this one is still usable as is.

The two harnesses and their ropes are old and the rope needs replacing if I can find some of the same material for those. The handle is not bent, seen many that were.

In general I am very happy to have acquired this. Thank you Santa.
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The runners are described as "phenolic plastic". I have always considered them as nylon. I used to cut up the old ones to make windshield installation tools for the Jeeps etc.
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