CFR Request Thread

[medic65726]

Any chance of getting the info on my Iltis?
86-88231

Thanks,
Simon
Thunder Bay, Ontario

[pauljboudreau]

i know its a long shot but i would like to get to know as much as possible about my m37
here is the info i have on it

from the plate on the dash

truck,cargo,3/4 ton,4x4,m37 cdn
ord no2502
mfr ser no 91404481
date del 12-1-55
contract cdlv822
model t249

there is also inspected by the sign is a small circle with a star in the middle with i and s on top and e 22 on the bottom

and on the dash it self there is a number painted 554277 and possibli an other 7 at the end or nothing at all its hard to make up
lot of picture of it here

http://bathurstjeep.proboards.com/in...ead=684&page=1

[pauljboudreau]

the cfr number is 55-42777, i loked again and found some glue where the missing seven used to be

[Craig S.]

medic65726 -

I have copied the available info and will edit then post soonest.

pauljboudreau -

and on the dash it self there is a number painted 554277 and possibli an other 7 at the end or nothing at all

This would most likely be the vehicles CFR number, and the last 5 digits are what the license plate would read - '42777'. This same number should be stamped onto the left front frame rail behind the bumper. I've looked for the info on the database using the "554277 and possibli an other 7", but there is no information to be had due to that CFR being re-used (on a 2002 Chevrolet Silverado) since your truck left the service. Anyhow - nice trucks you've got there. Unfortunately the information was gone for my 1952 as well...Cheers,

Craig

[pauljboudreau]

thank you very much

[Craig S.]

matthewq4b -

Here is the info. Cheers,

Craig

[Craig S.]

matthewq4b -

One more...

[Craig S.]

T. Alcorn -

Well I could not locate your serial number and it's actual CFR. Going through the serial numbers and comparing the UIC (Unit Identifier Code) with the CFR range relationship, I came across records for approx. 10-20 trailers overall with wrong serial numbers recorded in the records. Instead of them putting the serial number in the appropriate box, someone had put the trailers ECC (Equipment Classification Code) in that box instead or some records had a partial contract number in that box. These 10-20 all were sold at CFB Valcartier. Seeing that the pics show your tac sign and c/s 39, your trailer belonged to the 2nd Battalion, Royal 22e Regiment(2R22 - the "VanDoos") who are part of 5 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (CMBG) out of Quebec. Your trailer was from the 3rd Company in the Battalion and followed closely behind the OC's Iltis. I'm confident in saying that your trailer is lost due to piss poor paperwork, but it is definately one of these 10-20 that were sold out of CFB Valcartier. Cheers,

Craig

[Matthew Reid]

Hello Craig.

Thanks again this information it really helps pin down the history of the units.

I do have a question though.

On Iltis CFR 87423 I noticed that the very last work order detail completed May 10 2003 appeared to be an inspection, the holding unit was 6297 (not sure what that unit that is) TF Kabul MB HQ SIG SQN

Does this mean the last listed work order was done in Afghanistan ?

Or is my interpretation wrong?

If it was deployed to Afghanistan it has to one of the very very few Itlises that ever made it back to Canada after serving there.

If this is the case it presents a bit of an dilemma for my future plans.




Matthew

[Craig S.]

On Iltis CFR 87423 I noticed that the very last work order detail completed May 10 2003 appeared to be an inspection, the holding unit was 6297 (not sure what that unit that is) TF Kabul MB HQ SIG SQN

matthewq4b -

What I've done is taken actual Iltis CFR's from vehicles in theater during this time frame. I looked at the maintenance and service records for them and compared the different UIC's before the vehicles went to UIC 6297 (TF Kabul MB HQ SIG SQN) and after to UIC 6300 (Candian ISAF NSE maintenance). I would say perhaps that vehicles were chosen to go into theater, inspected and repaired as required here in Canada then sent over where they would be serviced by NSE maint. All the in theater CFR's had the AC listed as 'MZ' for disposal as scrap or salvage. Also the Iltis's sent to UIC 6297 were worked on by 2 SVC Bn in Petawawa. The few that went from there were shown to be maintained by Canadian ISAF NSE Maintenance from that point until being disposed of in theater. It is my guess your CFR#87423 was being readied for deployment in Petawawa, but for some reason ended up at the Land Force Western Area Training Center instead. As you can see there were no records of maintenance by Candian ISAF NSE pers after 2 Svc Bn's inspection. Cheers,

Craig

[Craig S.]

Any chance of getting the info on my Iltis?
86-88231

Thanks,
Simon
Thunder Bay, Ontario

Hi Simon -

I'll have it for you Monday. I have it done but I accidentally left part of the file at work (in my hurry to leave) yesterday.....

Craig

[Craig S.]

Here's the info Simon. Cheers,

Craig

[WayneR]

I know this is probably getting old for you but could I please get any info on my 1971 M38A1 CDN3, serial number 99874? Thanks very much.

Wayne

[Craig S.]

I know this is probably getting old for you but could I please get any info on my 1971 M38A1 CDN3, serial number 99874? Thanks very much.

Wayne

Never got a chance today Wayne. I will look tomorrow morning for you though. Cheers,

Craig

[WayneR]

Originally Posted by Craig S.

Never got a chance today Wayne. I will look tomorrow morning for you though. Cheers,

Craig

Thanks Craig, I really appreciate this. If it makes it easier I believe the UIC is 1755 of the unit that owned it.

Thanks

Wayne

[Craig S.]

...my 1971 M38A1 CDN3, serial number 99874?

WayneR -

Here is what info remains in the database. I would presume that due to it's code "MF" (being under Controlled Cannibalization), this is the reason for such little info being retrievable. Also you will see that it fell into the 1970 category for M-38A1CDN3's vice 1971. It didn't seem to make a difference in regards to the serial number/CFR relationship. They were scattered in no particular order from lower 9#### ser. no's onto the higher 1##### ser. no's, while the CFR's went in order throughout - even between the 1970 to 1971 model years. Mismatched all the way. A large amount of 1971 model year Jeeps listed - showed there first issue was in support of a UN mission. I could not find a reference to any UIC of 1755. If there was such a unit using this as it's UIC, it no longer exists, or has been changed. Cheers,

Craig

[Rpoolie]

I was wondering if I could also get some information about my Iltis?
The VIN is BI01-02-85-86489
There is also AA5237 stenciled inside the rear passenger door but I suspect the doors may not be original to this vehicle.
Any information you may have is greatly appreciated.

[Craig S.]

...VIN is BI01-02-85-86489.

Rpoolie -

I can have a go at it (again) for you tomorrow. I had a quick look and there is a fair sized bit of info to be had. Saving the info so I can edit it all at home is todays computer problem. Hopefully this pos work computer will co-operate tomorrow........cheers,

Craig

[servicepub (RIP)]

As you receive the requested information through the good graces of Craig and others, and you don't mind sharing this with the world, send me the info by PM and I will add it to the M38A1 database found at RamTank.ca
Cheers,
Clive

[brunno1968]

Hi,

Last year, I bought an iltis. I would like to know more about.

No.Id : BI02-03-86-88153

I am looking for the paint number to repaint it.

Thank you very much for your help and this forum is very helpfull.

Bruno

[BOBM35A2]

After reading all the requests for CFR numbers I feel a little intrusive. However It seems I have received more information and help from this forum in the last couple of months than my searching in over a year. I live in Connecticut, United States and bought a M38A1 which I believe is a CDN2.
It was purchased by the previous owner from Canada a couple of years ago. I am a member of the Connecticut Military Vehicle Collectors Inc of which I am proud to have been a past president. The chance to restore a Canadian jeep is exciting to me. All too many times I've seen the pratice of a restored USA jeep mounted with machine guns and Military Police markers. It would have you think every jeep was a gun jeep. So the chance to make an histortic Canadian jeep is exciting. I have been told the CFR numbers on it are wrong. The color is wrong and other marking are wrongand placement is wrong.
The number on it is 67-97211. I was told the number should be 67-07740
So I'll ask for as much info on this jeep as I can, so as I can make it back to the way it was equiped with the units it was in. Hopefully late 60s.

So here are the facts.
Data plate indicates the jeep was made NOV 67, Ser # is 7105-97211.
Vehicle has a SMG holder on the dash. Also has butt plate holder on the floor on the passenger side. Right side of vehicle has welded holes in the pattern and placement of a machine gun mount. Two more holes just forward of slave cable recepticle.e
That's it.
I wish to thank the people who have helped me in the past and and in the future.

Bob

[Craig S.]

...VIN is BI01-02-85-86489.

Rpoolie -

Finally got your info request sorted out - here you go. Cheers,

Craig

CFR request No.Id : BI02-03-86-88153

brunno1968 -

I hope to get at it Monday. Cheers,

Craig

[Craig S.]

Sorry BOBM35A2 - didn't meen to forget you. You'll then be next, unless someone else can get it for you before....

[Rpoolie]

I would like to thank you for the information you have provided in regards to my Iltis.

I do appreciate you taking the time to retrieve and post the information for my benefit.

Thanks again!

poolie

[Craig S.]

bruno1968 -

I've got your info. Won't have time today to edit, but I should have it posted by Wednesday. Your Iltis spent some time touring Yugoslavia around 1995 according to some of the info.

BOBM35A2 -

I have copied the info for CFR# 67-07740 - but to confirm it's the correct info, the Jeep should have a VIN of 7105-97211. If you can check if that matches, then I will post up your info around Wednesday as well. Cheers,

Craig

[BOBM35A2]

BOBM35A2 -

I have copied the info for CFR# 67-07740 - but to confirm it's the correct info, the Jeep should have a VIN of 7105-97211. If you can check if that matches, then I will post up your info around Wednesday as well. Cheers,

Craig

Thank You Craig
The vin matches. That's the jeep.
Thank you,
Bob M.

[Matthew Reid]

Hello Craig

Do not want ot overload you but I just picked up anouther Iltis and M101 CDn2 Trailer.

Both have white paint under thier curent coats of paint.

The Vin for the Iltis is BI01-02-85-86536 for a CFR of 86536

The Serial for the trailer is 0289

Both units were disposed at Michener Allen in Edmonton AB. Hopefully that will narrow the search for the trailer

Thanks Matthew

[Craig S.]

brunno1968 -

Here is your Iltis info you requested and

BOBM35A2 -

Here is your M-38A1CDN2 info you requested. Cheers,

Craig

[BOBM35A2]

Craig,
Thank you very much for that information. I'll have fun translating it. I'm sure it will supply me with a solid starting point for the markings and unit crests and equipment I need.
Thank you again,
Bob M.

[brunno1968]

Thank you very much Craig, I really appreciate your help. During the next month, I will buy an other iltis, so it is pretty sure that i will contact you again.

Have a nice day, Bruno