British 10-cwt trailer reference thread

[austin tilly]

Here is a link with more 10cwt trailer pictures.
http://pinswin.nl/fotosvoertuigen/10ccwt.html

Cheers,
Arjan

[austin tilly]

I recently discoverd the I have two different rims for my trailer.

This is the one that came with the trailer. Because there was only one I searched for another.


This one I found. I´ve marked the differences.


I know there were many kinds of these rims. The Hillman Light Utility had one with three holes, the Austin Light Utility had four holes. But these have six holes, and still they are different.
Has someone any idea?

Cheers,
Arjan

[austin tilly]

Last question

Who did use this trailer? Or better... which vehicle towed the trailer?
Pictures with the jeep are known, but did other vehicle towed this trailer. Perhaps behind a CMP?

Cheers,
Arjan

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Courtesy of Arjan van der Hoek and John Corden I got a number of Illustrated Spare Parts Lists and Identification Lists in pdf-format.

Go to the folder British_10-cwt_Trailer_manuals of the Maple Leaf Up Download section if you want to download them.

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[Ken Smith]

Thanks to Arjan, John and Hanno. I have been waiting for a spare parts breakdown of the lunette and housing for at least 30years. What a wonderful surprise this morning to see it in such detail
Ken

[Alex van de Wetering]

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a picture clearly showing the top edge of the mk1 GS trailer? especially where the sides meet the front and/or rear panel.
I am currently building a scale model and while I have taken several reference pictures myself, there are always things you didn't cover with a picture. I am trying to find out if the upper edge of the basket is a combination of a steel strip and wood on both sides, or just wood.

Also I would be interested to know if these trailers carried a spare wheel, like the one in the picture below.

Alex

[austin tilly]

The restoration of the trailer is finished.





Number 62 has been replaced by 61.

Cheers,
Arjan

[Alex van de Wetering]

Great work Arjan,

Can you confirm that the top edge of the trailer woodwork is made from one wood panel/strip on the inside of the steel uprights and separate wood blocks bolted on the outside to form the thick top edge? Or is there a steel strip between the wood panel and the wood blocks on the outside?

Have you got any more pictures of the trailer?

Alex

[Godwin Hampton]

Originally posted by austin tilly
Last question

Who did use this trailer? Or better... which vehicle towed the trailer?
Pictures with the jeep are known, but did other vehicle towed this trailer. Perhaps behind a CMP?

Cheers,
Arjan

Last....Arjan

Arjan, I recall photos of BEF Morris-Commercial CS8 15 cwt. trucks in convoy, each fully loaded and towing one of these trailers, also fully loaded.

I also saw a photo in a book of one being towed behind an Austin Utility, but how it was towed is beyond me, as the Utilities never had tow hooks. I imagine some sort of arrangement could be created by regimental fitters using the 3 machine gun mounting bolt sockets in the body floor, but the tailgate would have to be removed. This was, of course, a rather simple operation....

[Radek]

Hi,
it is possible add this picture with Austin tilly?
Thanks Radek

Originally posted by Godwin Hampton
Last....Arjan
Arjan, I recall photos of BEF Morris-Commercial CS8 15 cwt. trucks in convoy, each fully loaded and towing one of these trailers, also fully loaded.

I also saw a photo in a book of one being towed behind an Austin Utility, but how it was towed is beyond me, as the Utilities never had tow hooks. I imagine some sort of arrangement could be created by regimental fitters using the 3 machine gun mounting bolt sockets in the body floor, but the tailgate would have to be removed. This was, of course, a rather simple operation....

[austin tilly]

The Austin Tilly has no hook to tow trailers. I Think that the Standard Tilly and Morris Tilly can tow trailers.

Cheers,
Arjan

[Alex van de Wetering]

Another Mortar trailer, being towed by a Loyd carrier.

Picture from the Tilburg city archive, http://www.regionaalarchieftilburg.nl

[austin tilly]

Here are some new photographs of the trailer.


original wd-number



I heard today that another trailer in our town was schredded into little pieces. Maybe the rims survived.

Cheers,
Arjan

[Alex van de Wetering]

I heard today that another trailer in our town was schredded into little pieces. Maybe the rims survived.

Oh no...


Here is one in " action" in Den Haag, 8 May 1945. Prinses Irene Brigade.



source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl

Alex

[austin tilly]

we´ve found and saved the parts from a 10cwt gs-trailer. The frame was gone, but the axle, rims and springs were saved.
Who can tell which trailers used this axle etc, so we might be able to make one.

Cheers,
Arjan

[Ken Smith]

Hello to all who love those beautiful CMP's
I only found the forum today and I have already learnt more today about CMP's than I have in the last 20 years.Now I have a question about my 10cwt trailer does anyone have a picture or diagram of how the lunette/pintle ring is held into the cast housing.My lunette has a slot in the shaft about two thirds toward the rear of the shaft I assume this has something to do with a retainer of some sort.I bought my trailer at a farm auction about 15 years ago reasonably complete, but the farmer had removed the lunette and replaced it with a civilian ball coupling.I have most of the original coupling but need to know how to put it back together.When purchased the trailer had an old transfer of an anchor with the letters RN above or below it,so I guess the Royal Navy used to carry spare torpedo's in it behind a destroyer or something.
Cheers Ken

[Radek]

Originally Posted by Ken Smith

Hello to all who love those beautiful CMP's
I only found the forum today and I have already learnt more today about CMP's than I have in the last 20 years.Now I have a question about my 10cwt trailer does anyone have a picture or diagram of how the lunette/pintle ring is held into the cast housing.My lunette has a slot in the shaft about two thirds toward the rear of the shaft I assume this has something to do with a retainer of some sort.I bought my trailer at a farm auction about 15 years ago reasonably complete, but the farmer had removed the lunette and replaced it with a civilian ball coupling.I have most of the original coupling but need to know how to put it back together.When purchased the trailer had an old transfer of an anchor with the letters RN above or below it,so I guess the Royal Navy used to carry spare torpedo's in it behind a destroyer or something.
Cheers Ken

Hi Ken,
do you have british trailer?

Radek

[Hanno Spoelstra]

From British 4.2-inch Heavy Mortar

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

4.2" mortar unit in action at 's Hertogenbosch, Holland, 1944. Note the 10-cwt trailers.

Here's a better version of this photo:

"Mortars of the Manchester Regiment shell the city centre from the desolate Hinthamer Park. October 1944."

I have been informed that the above photo is from the IWM official collection - ref B11345. Other photos include B11346, B13433, B15625, BU3907 and BU5109.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

From British 4.2-inch Heavy Mortar

Here's a better version of this photo:

"Mortars of the Manchester Regiment shell the city centre from the desolate Hinthamer Park. October 1944."

I have been informed that the above photo is from the IWM official collection - ref B11345. Other photos include B11346, B13433, B15625, BU3907 and BU5109.

Reportedly, it was the 1st Battalion, the Manchester Regiment.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here's one in use with a Canadian unit (source). Note the mortar trailer is towed by a 15-cwt truck.
4.2inchmortar_ddaytotdam.jpg

Canadian infantry firing a 4.2” mortar at Gruchy, near Caen, Normandy, 9 July 1944.

Note the mortar trailer on tow behind a F15A. It could be the same as shown on the footage quoted above.

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Source: http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redire...26722&lang=eng and http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redire...26721&lang=eng

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Note the mortar trailer on tow behind a F15A. It could be the same as shown on the footage quoted above.

Lovely find Hanno. To me it indeed looks like the same truck and trailer as in the movie.....just comparing the crew with 1 soldier without helmet and 2 with, which seem to match. Also the slight decoloration on the canvas where the side canvas meets the top canvas.....also a slightly crooked door on the storage bin under the body.
This would be a great truck/outfit to copy paint and markings wise!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

So what are we seeing here? Definitely not a standard 10-cwt trailer. Could it be a civilian one?

"Royal Dutch Princess Irene Brigade Belgium.
Transport column of the Princess Irene Brigade in a Belgian village 25 miles from the Dutch border. Date: 1944-09-15"
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Source: Dutch National Archives - http://hdl.handle.net/10648/af21ae8c...8-003048976d84

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

So what are we seeing here? Definitely not a standard 10-cwt trailer. Could it be a civilian one?

I have no idea......seems it has really narrow tyres and 4-lug wheels? Maybe an axle of a civvy 30's car?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

I have no idea......seems it has really narrow tyres and 4-lug wheels? Maybe an axle of a civvy 30's car?

Yeah, civilian is most likely.

Some comments from another forum:

"the consensus from a previous discussion was a one off built most likely on British chassis due to the easy clean wheels used on lots of British cars."

"The Dutch Irene Brigade bought there cars, trucks, trailers etc from many sources including civilian. After their landing in Normandy they passed a location were the German army left behind a lot of equipment and the Dutch took what they could use. They took a lot of German tool trailers among other trailers, cars and even some halftracks that were used until the end of the war."

[Hanno Spoelstra]

10-cwt mortar trailer:

British Jeep w/ soldiers from the 43rd (Wessex) Infantry Division after crossing the River Seine at Vernon Normandy - August 27, 1944

IWM - Hewitt C. H. (Sgt) Photographer
IWM BU 212

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