military heavyweights

[Bill Murray]

And how about a Mack heavy
Bill

[John McGillivray]

Here are two photos of a Mack towing a 5.5in gun, captured from a film clip on a DVD.

[Les Freathy]

A cople more Diamond T tractors
1 Lined out side Cranes factory with a new consignment of 40ton trailers

[Bill Murray]

How about a Scammell
Bill

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Bill Murray
How about a Scammell
Bill

Bill,

An early Pioneer (it could be a prototype), because it has a horizontal winch. Date around late 30's. Later they were all fitted with the superb vertical winch.

Richard

[marco]

Canadian heavy!
Photo taken in Holland shortly after the war.

Marco

[Les Freathy]

OK its competition time

Guess which one farted

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Les Freathy
OK its competition time

Guess which one farted

No...they are parked right on a pile of smelly dog sh*t, one of them has the shovel to remove it

Richard

[Marco C.]

What's that ?????

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

An early Pioneer (it could be a prototype), because it has a horizontal winch. Date around late 30's. Later they were all fitted with the superb vertical winch.

Richard, I am coincidentally working on the '38 WD trials for VINTAGE ROADSCENE and consequently have been back and forth between Census Lists, the WD Trials Report and photo thumbnails. I wonder if this tractor, photo'd in 1937 is the vehicle referred to in WHEELS & TRACKS # 72...the original 1928 6 x 6 not the 1929 6 x 6 military tractor rego MG 9030 rebodied during the war with R100 body. The tractor referred to in 1938 was acquired in 1928 and originally had 44 x 10 inch tyres and was converted in 1938 to 13.50-20 cross-country tyres. It appears to be 6 x 6 drive to me, with that bulbous casing in front of the radiator, what do you think? Iam no expert so am putting this one out to discussion.



Your Pioneer? FAT seems to be 6 x 4 drive, and it is interesting that in 1938 the 20-ton tank transporter Pioneers had moved fom Turner horizontal winches to Scammell-designed vertical winches.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally posted by Marco C.
What's that ?????

A Churchill ARV I with a trailer on tow, carrying an LCA landing craft???

Great shots in this post again, Guys!

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

Two vehicles on display in the Marshall Museum collection

Pacific M26 un-armored cab

[Alex van de Wetering]

And a Mack NO prime mover.

The Marshall Museum Collection is now located at the War museum in Overloon, the Netherlands


Alex

[sapper740]

Originally posted by Brad Mills
Attached are some photos of a Trailer used to recover a Tiger using two Diamond T trucks used in tandem to move the beast...They mention the trailer was originally built earlier in the war for an experimental heavy tank.

While we're on the subject of vehicles in tandem, here's an interesting pic I found on the internet showing tandem Faun ZR's used as a locomotive on a rail line. Having the back-to-front arrangement would limit you to the speed of the Faun in reverse, but as a stop gap or as a marshalling yard locomotive, I imagine it would have provided some usefullness. Maybe we should start a new thread: Prime movers in tandem.


CHIMO!

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
Richard, I am coincidentally working on the '38 WD trials for VINTAGE ROADSCENE
It appears to be 6 x 6 drive to me, with that bulbous casing in front of the radiator, what do you think? Iam no expert so am putting this one out to discussion.

David,

I do not think the Scammell in your photo is 6x6. As the wheels are "spoked", you can see through them and I cannot see a hub large enough to contain a driveshaft. The "coffee pot" on top of the radiator does not denote it to be a 6x6, its purpose was to ensure the radiator core was cover with water at any angle of working. Even as a 6x4, with rear walking beams and a front axle pivoting transversly, the lorry could end up at exteme angles.

There were no 6x6 Pioneers in service as far as I am aware, there are pictures of one on test with Scammells though.

As for superceding the Turner horizontal winch for the Scammell vertical, my views based on experience, is that the Turner sat higher in the chassis, so got in the way of bodywork, but the main advantage of the Scammell winch is that it sits lower and less obtrusive and also has a very good laying on gear to stop the chance of the rope fouling up as it is wound on the drum.

Richard

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thanks Richard! I now suspect that the 1928 Scammell 6 x 6 whilst appearing similar to the FAT, Pioneer? FAT in the IWM photo was a production one. I kept believing I could see the huge front axle construction that the 1928 and 1929 6 x 6 prototypes had, well-placed in front of the rad.

The Trials repprt also mentions an order for four more Scammell 20-ton transporters, as per a 1932 pilot but with Gardner diesels. There is a '32 photo of a 20-tonner articulated Scammell Pioneer with Medium Tank Mk 11 transporter onthe IWM site.



I am loathe to suggest that this is the tractor referred to.

[Les Freathy]

WHATS THAT


IN reply to marcos murky photo the tank is either a Churchill ARV or bridge carrier towing a class 50/60 ton pontoon on its dedicated trailer, in the archives somewhere i have a good photo of the pontoon it hasn,t seen the light of day for around 20 years so will have to dig deep for it. I suppose it should be in the trailer thread but as the item has been raised here no point in chasing around to find it, be back with the photo soon
cheers
Les

[Bill Murray]

Couple of interesting shots picked up off of Google.
A Diamond T said to be the first ever Australian Road Train.
Bill

[Bill Murray]

Secondly, an earlier version.
I was in a hurry but as I remember the photos came from some sort of Alice Springs historical site.
Bill

[Larry Hayward]

Something you don't see very often these days is an M4 being loaded on a trailer and towed along by a Diamond T. These photos are from the MVT Kemble show in 2004.

[Larry Hayward]

And another

[Lang]

Bill,

That Diamond T and its self-steering trailers has been restored and is now on view at the Transport Hall of Fame in Alice Springs (along with dozens of other significant Australian early trucks)

Lang

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

[Les Freathy]

Nice photo of the Diamond T david, they had portablr runway sections welded as seen to allow the transportation if stores in the main ammunition boxes
Two more photos for this thread, the early Scammell Pioneer artillery tractor, note the A/A mount on the roof a item soon disposed of during production

[Les Freathy]

2nd Scammell

[Les Freathy]

Finally the daddy of British tank transporters the one and only early Pioneer with the knock out trailer bogies

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

1. Note the chains on the ... PIoneer? around 1936.
2. Another shot of the 1932-3 Pioneer
with Medium Mk II tank???

Nice shots Les!

The DT and trailer was possibly in northern France or Belgium and was indeed an ammo transporter.

Originally posted by Larry Hayward
Something you don't see very often these days is an M4 being loaded on a trailer and towed along by a Diamond T. These photos are from the MVT Kemble show in 2004.

Has the "wrong" engine though, IIRC.

R.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Scammell tank transporter, once more.