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rob love · #61 06-02-11, 15:42

The 20 pound purple K extinguishers were mounted on the trucks designated for flammable goods. This included the fuel tenders in the airforce, as well as trucks handling fuel or ammo in the field. We usually mounted the large ones on the brush bar at the front of the truck. BSMs were responsible for the ammo in a battery so on the BSMs LSVW, a pair would also be mounted as well on the bush guard....a lot of weight for a small truck.

Never saw them mounted on the Jeeps though....that would have been overkill.

rob love · #62 06-02-11, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Mike Baker

My CDN2 has a windshield frame that is powder blue underneath the green, and I suspect that the original became U/S and was replaced with one off a CJ5. Does that sound reasonable to you guys?

Mike

Sounds reasonable, although it was most likely done after it left the service. Between the bumper and the windshield, it sounds a bit too much for it to have happened in service.

Mil quip also made the windshield frames for the DND.

Alex Blair (RIP) · #63 06-02-11, 18:51

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Originally Posted by rob love

The 20 pound purple K extinguishers were mounted on the trucks designated for flammable goods. This included the fuel tenders in the airforce, as well as trucks handling fuel or ammo in the field. We usually mounted the large ones on the brush bar at the front of the truck. BSMs were responsible for the ammo in a battery so on the BSMs LSVW, a pair would also be mounted as well on the bush guard....a lot of weight for a small truck.

Never saw them mounted on the Jeeps though....that would have been overkill.

The one I gave Bob was the same colour as the one you posted and was on a Fire truck..I was following it up the hanger line when we crossed a strip of bumpy grass and it fell off the truck..I was following it in a CE yellow peril half ton when it fell off I stopped and picked it up and when I caught up they told me to keep it..
they had lots of them..So I did.
Bob could post a picture and give the details and weight off it..I believe it was over 25 pounds..
Not purple..BLUE..

rob love · #64 06-02-11, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Alex Blair

The one I gave Bob was the same colour as the one you posted and was on a Fire truck..I was following it up the hanger line when we crossed a strip of bumpy grass and it fell off the truck..I was following it in a CE yellow peril half ton when it fell off I stopped and picked it up and when I caught up they told me to keep it..
they had lots of them..So I did.
Bob could post a picture and give the details and weight off it..I believe it was over 25 pounds..
Not purple..BLUE..

Any of the ones I saw from out of the DND system were blue. The powder they emit is referred to as purple K.

I have seen red ones of these as well with some of the airfield equipment. Not sure if they were supplied with the vehicles or if they were local purchase.

Scott Bentley · #65 07-02-11, 03:23

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Originally Posted by Alex Blair

Rob..
The Ansul blue fire extinguisher had a bigger brother..Bob Carrier has the next size up from the one shown..It is dry chem with a nitrogen cartridge that is pierced when the pin is removed and the handle slammed down which charges the extinguisher..The content tend to lump and compress so should be turned upside down and hit with a rubber hammer to loosen up the contents..

Same drill with the 5 lb little guy.

When I did my bi-annual fire fighting training, the Fire Fighters stressed that these thing need to be beat around a bit because of the contents compacting and settling on the bottom.

rob love · #66 07-02-11, 03:50

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Originally Posted by chris vickery

My reason for asking the many questions re the CFRs, VINs etc is that I will get a replica data plate set and will require the proper numbers and way they were formatted to get stamped on the plates. Does anyone have a set with a picture so I can seee what they look like?

Here is a shot of my Cdn 3 data plate. Note the contract number is stamped on, compared to a Cdn2 which had it as part of the data plate. Note also that my contract number differs from Dave's Cdn3 below. According to the service pub pam on the Cdn Jeeps, there were 2 different contracts for the Cdn3, so you will have to rationalize your serial number to figure out which contract your jeep was purchased on.

302Trooper · #67 07-02-11, 12:38

Chris,

Here are 2 data plates. A CDN 2 and 3 to dishtinguish the difference. Like Rob indicated one is stamped and the other is pre painted on. Hope this puts you in the right direction for a new set of plates.

Dave

chris vickery · #68 07-02-11, 15:39

Thanks guys for the assistance

chris vickery · #69 09-02-11, 00:36

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Originally Posted by armybuck041

Chris,

Little CFR update now that I have access to the better server:

Holding Unit History

As of 01-FEB-11

CFR No Departure Arrival HUIC Unit
08669* 06-May-83 04-Sep-79 0113* CFB Borden
08669* 04-Sep-79 01-Jan-70 0131* CFB LONDON
Modification History

As of 01-FEB-11

Modification History of CFR : 08669

Modification No Modification Complete Date Completed
30010000CF003* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
30100000CF014* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION NO
30104000CF001* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION NO

Work Order Details

As of 01-FEB-11
CFR Number : 08669
Format Work Order Number SS Date Completed CIN HUIC Usage Qty Parts ($) Rebuild
5 L01086 29-Sep-78 551* 5009* 25814 1 0 NO
5 L05964 30-Nov-77 551* 2208* 0 1 0 NO
5 L05460 29-Aug-77 551* 5009* 22529 1 325 NO
5 L03992 30-Jun-77 551* 2208* 0 1 0 NO
5 L03182 14-Mar-77 551* 2208* 0 1 0 NO
5 L02883 21-Feb-77 551* 2208* 0 1 0 NO

Looking deep into the Maint records, it appears that this 38A1 actually belonged to 1 Hussars in London prior to going to Borden. Sadly, it appears much of the maint info was never entered, as i'm sure there was plenty more work and mods done to it prior to disposal. The disposal date was actually 9 Sept 88, so this made it one of the last to go to auction.

UPDATE: I bet these guys would be happy to see you turn it back into an Armd Recce Jeep that it most likely once was: http://www.firsthussars.ca/the-museum

Scotty

I just recently aquired the used vehicle information package on this one and note a slight discrepancy from your data Scotty, wondering if you may shed some light on it. It appears that my jeep was registered on 3 June 1988 by the civilian owner.

Your records indicate disposal 9 Sept 88. Would it be possible that the disposal records take a bit of time to be updated before being struck off of service following auction???

Scott Bentley · #70 09-02-11, 02:31

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Originally Posted by chris vickery

I just recently aquired the used vehicle information package on this one and note a slight discrepancy from your data Scotty, wondering if you may shed some light on it. It appears that my jeep was registered on 3 June 1988 by the civilian owner.

Your records indicate disposal 9 Sept 88. Would it be possible that the disposal records take a bit of time to be updated before being struck off of service following auction???

Its not my data Chris

I wouldn't get too concerned about the disposal date. Things like date purchased, date disposed and price sold for, are often generic for a good chunk of the fleet. Almost all of the info on these things was entered in the EDR Database years after they were used and sold. It still amazes me that they even took the time to enter it after the fact, especially the maintenance and mod info. In the case of yours though, the info was very sparse compared to most.

Mike Baker · #71 09-02-11, 18:04

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Originally Posted by armybuck041

It still amazes me that they even took the time to enter it after the fact, especially the maintenance and mod info. In the case of yours though, the info was very sparse compared to most.

Sounds to me like entering all the data may have been a choice job or punishment for some wayward, under-employed PATs!

rob love · #72 09-02-11, 18:32

My memories of the paperwork in the early 80s was that things could be pretty hit or miss. With the introduction of time accounting in the 80s, things got a bit better overall, but still way too much latitude for problems. By the 90s, you would still find hard copy work orders lost in the filing cabinets under the completely wrong headings. Even in the last few years, you could order all kinds of things on the hard copy parts request, but only enter a portion of that into the computer.

The newest system is said to tie between the supply side, the transport side, and the maintenance side. If it works out, the collectors 30 years down the road may be able to access every last task and part that were charged against their collectible G wagon or LSVW.

Yes, it is amazing that we can access all this info on vehicles disposed of 25 years ago. But the army does run on paperwork, and always did things in triplicate.

chris vickery · #73 09-02-11, 23:39

Thanks Scotty, Rob. Scotty, I didn't lierally mean your data, guess I should have said the data researched and found by yourself. I appreciate the info and the work involved

I figured that even as Rob suggests, the army runs on paperwork but was always under the misguided concept that with all the t crossing and i dotting involved, that accuracy would have been the norm.... As Mike suggests, it may have been a pile of backlogged paperwork that a clerk had the tedious task of entering into the system. Or, as Scotty pointed out a sum of vehicles were lumped together.