HUPs IN STRANGE PLACES - Page 2

Stew Robertson · #1 23-11-11, 17:42

Does anyone know who owned this one
It was taken in the early eighties at a meet at Milton Ont.
Stew

Brian Gough · #2 23-11-11, 18:11

Stew,

that was Mel Norwick's HUP, from Whitby. The picture was taken at an OMVA meet, I think it was in the late 1980s, maybe even 1990.

The HUP was sold last year and I don't know where it went - possibly out of the country.

Brian

RHClarke · #3 23-11-11, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Brian Gough

Stew, that was Mel Norwick's HUP, from Whitby. The picture was taken at an OMVA meet, I think it was in the late 1980s, maybe even 1990. The HUP was sold last year and I don't know where it went - possibly out of the country. Brian

Mel's HUP got a quick once over and was sent to Oman as part of the Sultanate of Oman's 40th Anniversary celebration. Apparently, 40 years ago the present Sultan rode into his capital city in a HUP to take power from his father.

To celebrate this anniversary he spared little expense to get a HUP to lead the parade. The last I heard was that the truck is now in a museum. Nice videos on Youtube of the celebrations, but no shots of the HUP.

Brian Gough · #4 23-11-11, 18:45

Rob,

Thanks for the update on the whereabouts of Mel's HUP. Definitely this is properly in your thread of "HUPs in Strange Places"

Brian

Haridimos · #5 23-11-11, 21:21

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Originally Posted by RHClarke

Mel's HUP got a quick once over and was sent to Oman as part of the Sultanate of Oman's 40th Anniversary celebration. ................ The last I heard was that the truck is now in a museum..

Could it be at the Sultan`s Armed Forces Museum at Muscat? A travel corespondence and a fine photo coverage of the excibits of that Museum, was at the HMVForum HERE but whithout photo of Mel's HUP..

David Dunlop · #6 22-08-13, 21:22

Here are a couple of photos of a British Contract 1C11 bodied HUP built in late August 1945 that went from GM storage in Oshawa after the war to MacDonald Manitoba for disposal. Ended up as a mobile field office for a construction company, while two of it's sister's ended up in the Weyburn, Saskatchewan area.

Anyone recognize it?

David

RHClarke · #7 22-08-13, 21:34

If the painted sign on the side of the truck says "Dominion Construction", then I can say that I do recognize it. It now resides in Hammond.

David Dunlop · #8 22-08-13, 21:46

I thought it looked familiar on your avitar and Mike C. mentioned to me a few years ago it had found a good home.

Peter Ford had traced the history of it for me one summer when he was rummaging in the Archives in Ottawa and had also tracked down the other two from the same contract.

Cheers,

David

RHClarke · #9 22-08-13, 21:56

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Originally Posted by David Dunlop

I thought it looked familiar on your avitar and Mike C. mentioned to me a few years ago it had found a good home.

Peter Ford had traced the history of it for me one summer when he was rummaging in the Archives in Ottawa and had also tracked down the other two from the same contract.

Cheers,

David

David, I would be very interested in getting hi-res versions of your photos and any of the info that Mr Ford obtained in his research of these trucks. If you can provide such, I will send my email address.

Cheers,

HUP Owner In a Strange Place (@the mudder-in-laws)

RHClarke · #10 10-11-06, 02:18

Here is a shot of my HUP frame at the "Frog Farm" near Kars, Ontario.

cmperry4 · #11 12-11-06, 08:51

Nice pics of '45 'Staff Cars' to add to the reference collection. Thanks Bob 'n' Rob.

That D-ring question had come up before - the narrower bumper seems like a reasonable accounting for the change in orientation.

gordon · #12 12-11-06, 10:36

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Originally posted by Grant Bowker
I've seen a photo of someone stamping a Dodge (8 cwt?) frame at the factory to indicate acceptance. Is there a chance that the same was done with Chevs or Fords?

I've got a shot somewhere of an inspector stamping the left rear chassis rail of a T212 D8A on the extreme rear of the vehicle. Not a very good image but good enough to see what he's doing. Comes from one of those Chrysler / Canada at War books.

Gordon

RHClarke · #13 20-11-06, 19:32

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Originally posted by Bob Carriere
...how much interest would be generated by these pictures.

Bob,

Was there any writing/notations/dates on the backs of the photos? Did you get any other info about the photos (i.e. locations)?

P.S.
I hope that there is some firewood in the barn - I got permission from SWMBO to go out and "play" next weekend!

Bob Carriere · #14 22-11-06, 04:35

Hi Rob

The pictures I got were digital...... from Forestry services archives in the Sou....... chap said he would try to locate some of the old retirees for possible leads on anything that might still be left in someones old barn or shed.

Need to replace the oil drip line for next weekend..... need to cut a new 12 inch long section from your roll and flare it up to fit..... the one in there now is all cruded up tight and has alread been shortened about 3 times....

Remember the compressor is not running..... unless done manually.......

Bob

RHClarke · #15 08-04-09, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Hi Rob The pictures I got were digital...... from Forestry services archives in the Sou....... chap said he would try to locate some of the old retirees for possible leads on anything that might still be left in someones old barn or shed.Bob

Bob. Any news on the HUP search?

In the meanwhile, I found that 45 HUPs made it all the way out to BC and were in use by the Federal Dept of Agriculture for an insect survey that was started in the mid 1930s and which continued on at least through the seventies.

Of particular note: The paragraph lamenting the use of the HUP on page 8 and a photo on page 9 of the document.

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/library...s/bib19818.pdf

If anyone out on the Left Coast has any contacts with NR Can in BC, this may be a good start point for tracking down a few HUPs...

Phil Waterman · #16 08-04-09, 21:59

Another interesting bit of HUP history, it is interesting that everything he said about the HUPs could also be said about most military vehicles. It is interesting that he took the time and space in the report to explain the term HUP.

Cheers Phil

RHClarke · #17 08-04-09, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Another interesting bit of HUP history, it is interesting that everything he said about the HUPs could also be said about most military vehicles. It is interesting that he took the time and space in the report to explain the term HUP.

Phil, I think that he actually liked the HUP - can't blame him can we? You can't say the word without getting a good feeling (except when you can't find replacement parts)...

I agree with the statement about mil vehicles - as soon as you say "army truck" a lot of folks drive them to see just how tough they really are. In my experience, the truck breaks down soon after the driver says "Hold my beer, and watch this..."

There must have been more noble uses of HUPs post war. So far, I have evidence that HUPs were used for:

Knocking down trees*
Running dynamite*
Construction company field office*
Forestry service use (insect surveys)
Farm truck - once that bothersome back van was torched off
Tow truck
Pick up truck
Traveling variety show utility/tow vehicle
CWM display
Rural school bus

*my HUP in its former life

Bob Carriere · #18 09-04-09, 03:55

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Originally Posted by RHClarke

If anyone out on the Left Coast has any contacts with NR Can in BC, this may be a good start point for tracking down a few HUPs...

It must be remembered that Forestry was once a part of Agriculture Canada when people associated trees with things you could plant and grow..e.i. tree farm !!!

Eventually it became recognized as a "Resource" of natural occurence.... and glued to Natural Resources which is mainly rocks and minerals and the maps to find them...... now includes energy but not exclusive to oil and weird things like testing air tight wood stoves which consumes valuable trees and are in the process of being outlawed in cities around Montreal......and running hydrogen buses that have to be put away in Winter because the water in the exhaust freezes......

So in the future you can see a typical Xmas card Winter scene depicting a cabin somewhere in Northern Quebec with no chimney trailing a modest plume of wood smoke......but a HUGE Beegeezus windmill in the background churning elastricity........

Meanwhile HUP rules !!!!

BooB

RHClarke · #19 23-11-06, 04:15

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Originally posted by RHClarke
...there is a letter "S" inside a circle stamped on the frame. I'll find a photo or get another photo showing the location later on. So far, the only theory is that the "Circle S" is the frame manufacturer's identification stamp.

RHC

What is it for? Here is a photo of the "S" stamped just forward of the two forward knee action shocks - the circle (a pencil outline to make it stand out) got sandblasted away:

Paul Singleton · #20 27-02-10, 18:12

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Originally Posted by RHClarke

What is it for? Here is a photo of the "S" stamped just forward of the two forward knee action shocks - the circle (a pencil outline to make it stand out) got sandblasted away:

The circle with the "S" inside is the trademark of A.O. Smith Ltd. This company has stamped frames for the automotive industry for many years.
Here is some history,

http://www.aosmith.com/About/Detail.aspx?id=130

Paul

derk derin · #21 28-02-10, 08:12

Hi All,
Here is a nice HUP here in Manitoba some of the collectors have talked about in the past and have tried to purchase but with no luck.The farmer has an attachment to it but doesn't seem interested to do anything with it,just have it in the yard.Sure is a nice lawn ornament!

Sorry for the poor quality photo's but I took these photo's over 12 years ago with one of those old cameras you had to put film in manually,remember those Antiques!
Derk.

derk derin · #22 28-02-10, 08:18

Here is another HUP in Manitoba that was donated to an agricultural museum.It has been modified into a tow truck.

Derk.

derk derin · #23 28-02-10, 08:22

Here is one of Bill Gregg's HUP Ambulance that is now in the Manitoba C.F.B. Shilo's museum vehicle collection.

Derk.

RHClarke · #24 28-02-10, 16:28

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Originally Posted by derk derin

Hi All,
Here is a nice HUP here in Manitoba some of the collectors have talked about in the past and have tried to purchase but with no luck....Sorry for the poor quality photo's but I took these photo's over 12 years ago with one of those old cameras you had to put film in manually,remember those Antiques!
Derk.

Derk,

Yes, the infamous farmer's HUP...I am sure it will sell sometime in the future. I hope it stands up to the Manitoba climate until then. I see that this model has been modified:

Right (to left) hand drive;
Rear seats have been mounted square to the rear door;
Interior door pulls added (I don't think they are original);
Roof rack;
Sealed hip ring opening;
Plough mount;
Huge bumper in front;
Towing bar in rear;
Side tool box;
Civy signal light kit added; and
Divider wall removed.

Nonetheless, it looks to be in great shape (although 12 years could have changed that).

I just might go "fishing" the next time I am in Manitoba...

derk derin · #25 01-03-10, 03:28

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Originally Posted by RHClarke

Derk,

Yes, the infamous farmer's HUP...I am sure it will sell sometime in the future. I hope it stands up to the Manitoba climate until then. I see that this model has been modified:

Right hand drive;

RHClarke,
You had me wondering what you meant by right hand drive conversion so I took another look at my pictures and never picked up on the fact that it was converted to left hand drive.I have been working in diesel fumes for TOO many years now!Don't worry about things rotting in Manitoba,they are frozen half the year,that's why our vehicles are in such good shape when we find them! I was told that this HUP was an ARCTICIZED version,explaining the interior lining and sealed roof hatch.Is that what it is?The worse of the damage seemed to be the front bumper torched off.
Regards,Derk.

RHClarke · #26 28-02-10, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Paul Singleton

The circle with the "S" inside is the trademark of A.O. Smith Ltd. This company has stamped frames for the automotive industry for many years. Paul

Paul, Very interesting...It would be nice to see a sample of the Smith commercial stamping for comparison purposes. As far as I know, the CMP frames were made in Canada and Smith was a US based company. Perhaps they were made under license in Canada??

Paul Singleton · #27 28-02-10, 21:02

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Originally Posted by RHClarke

Paul, Very interesting...It would be nice to see a sample of the Smith commercial stamping for comparison purposes. As far as I know, the CMP frames were made in Canada and Smith was a US based company. Perhaps they were made under license in Canada??

A.O.Smith was a supplier to General Motors. They may have had a plant in Canada during the war, but I am not sure. I have attached a picture of a frame stamp from a Chevrolet car for comparison. The picture is the property of www.chevellestuff.com

Paul

Gunner · #28 30-11-06, 00:49

Hi Guys:

My bet is that the round decals on the door are standard Canada decals in english, chinese and russian around the maple leaf.

Cheers! Mike
(Now happily back in Ottawa... for a week)

Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP) · #29 30-11-06, 02:44

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Originally posted by Gunner
Cheers! Mike
(Now happily back in Ottawa... for a week)

Well, nothing more to be said than 'welcome home, Mike!'

cmperry4 · #30 30-11-06, 07:53

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Originally posted by RHClarke
What is it for? Here is a photo of the "S" stamped just forward of the two forward knee action shocks - the circle (a pencil outline to make it stand out) got sandblasted away:

I have the same "S" in same spot on my 45 HUP - I'm guessing it identified which die the frame channels were stamped out on, if they had more than one.