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28-07-06, 02:29
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Hallo Hanno, thank you for your reply, and for the nice picture of the 606 at Beltring.
To start at the beginning, I was surrounded, in my youth from the age of 10 by a huge arsenal of ex-US/Canadian military vehicles that were used in a civilian construction company in the Netherlands. The construction company was called "Kuiper en Leeuwenkamp" and they had 2 offices, one was in Petten NH and the other was in Monster ZH. The company was biased to coastal work, called in dutch "Kust en Oeverwerken" and most of their work was done on the salty shores of the coast of Holland. I started working with this company, in the workshop as a grease monkey during holidays and later on as a "leerling-monteur grondverzet&wegenbouwmachines via het SBW, in English a trainee mechanic earthmoving and roadbuilding equipment. At that time, around 1970, there were the following vehicles still in everday use: GMC CCKW- all with Ford Diesel and Nooteboom/Netam tipper GMC DUKW - all original except a wooden floor up on the rear to carry large stones, ther were at one time at least 10 of them. (in Hollands stortsteen genoemd) Diamond T - all original with Pasal dragline and Samofa diesel engine, Pasal stands for Gebroeders v/d Pas Alkmaar, there were at least 3 or 4 of these. Mack 6X6 with Priestman dragline, one of them had the slewing gear of a dutch torpedoboat (ex-US Navy) Diamond and White halftracks- also with original engine, hercules JXD, and at least one with a Pasal dragline. Reo SXS- original engine with a Ruston or Priestman dragline, not shure off at this moment. Quickway dragline mounted on a original CCKW chassis with a original half cab. Federal 606, my favorite and the cause of me podting here, they had at least 2 of them, huge trucks, I remember quitte clearly that we had one them outside the workshop, they were to big, or the workshop too small, wich was running roughly, and the senior mechanic decided we had to take one of the cyl heads off, there are two cyl heads on the engine of a Federal 606, when we finally took the cyl head off, the top half of a piston was completly missing, but the engine started running anyway! Later on the REO's came in and they replaced the CCKW's as the Terberg N800/1000/1200 replaced the REO's. About that time hydraulic excavators like Atlas and Liebherr replaced the draglines. Diesel engines replaced the petrol engines. The last DUKW's were phased out in 1980, alltough I remember that we went to Normandy and bought 2 brandnew, allthough at least 35 years old, DUKW's all original and used them throughout 1985, in the end the costs of maintenance and refusal of the innsurance company put a end to it. We also used, not being of WW2 vintage, FWD Terracruisers, Austin Champ, Dodge,Bedford, etc. Since my father died in 2002 I have in my possesion a huge amount of photo's and negative's. The photo's, most off them being at least from 1952 onwards are discoloured due to ageing, the negative's are in better condition, some are sticky. I am intending to scan all the negative's digital, my scanner can't work with analog photo negative's so I am looking to buy a good scanner that will do the job. Also I am doing some research and will try to visit some people who worked with my father from early on, and try to get storys and pictures on tape/scane, so I can contribute on a bit of history of the ressurection of Holland after WW2, (wederopbouw). There were many more civilian construction companys that used EX-WW2 equipment and vehicles in the neighbourhood when I was young, like Kubbe-Den Helder, P.Daalder-Alkmaar, PJB Brugman-Petten, Meereboer-Schoorl, Twisk&Bosman-Limmen. When I worked for Arie Hak Pijpleidingen in the sahara in 1982-1984 we had a Caterpillar D7/3TSP crawler with a history that dated back to 1944 and a fleet of so-called SNO-CATS that were EX-US from Antartica, being a Caterpillar D8 drivetrain on a extended Caterpillar D9 chassis. Keep those Federal 606 pictures coming! With best regards, Bertus. 
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22-10-06, 07:27
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A further pic of a Federal 604 in Australia, that seems to be astrange position for the rear view mirror. Loking at the distance of the tank trailer there must be others in between
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22-10-06, 07:31
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My good friend in australia Laurie Wright sent me this photo a number of years ago of a trailer under going test with the army, it was apparently designed to carry scrapers and graders. That is some arrangement on the coupling
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22-10-06, 12:16
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F1 - C2 and P1
Most interesting this!!
It has "surfaced" a Biederman P1 Crane Tractor in Norway that I am on to make an article abouth. And there is almost next to nothing to be found on this maker. So I would love some photos on the Reo's, Federal's and Corbits in the same range! And if anyone have any on the Biederman, it for sure would make my day! Anyone who can help out? Also any Tech Orders or other literature on them are of great interest. Since these trucks was issued by the US Army Air Corps there is no such things as TM's and/or SNL's for them. As Far as I have learned (from other forums), there is only made Tech Orders for them. They are: The REO/Biederman F-1 tractor was TO AN-19-25-53, the Federal C-2 Wrecker/Crane was TOs AN 19-20-9, AN 19-20-10, AN 19-20-16, AN-19-20-17 So if anyone have any of these, I would love to get my hands on any of them, and a good scan/copy would do just fine! Here is a scan of the Biederman in Northern Norway. Chers Rolf PS: Any help/photos used will get you a magazine in your mailbox. 
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22-10-06, 21:43
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Hello Rolf, that is a nice find as the Biederman is very rare!
Does this truck still exsist? Who was the manafacturer of the crane? I know of Thew, Lorain and Quickway but perhaps there were more. I wil post a few pictures found on the internet. First one is a Biederman. Source: www.autogallery.org.ru With best regards, Bertus. Last edited by Burts.22; 22-10-06 at 21:49.
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22-10-06, 21:51
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Still exists
bertus
Thanks for the reply Yes the Biederman still exsists and the photo was taken just a few montsh back. It is in remarkable good condition and very compleete. The new owners (fahter and son) as just started to dismantle it for a full rebuild, which will take a few Years. All the vehicles they have restored are done very professional! The crane used on it is a Michigan TM-16. The photo you show is one from one of the books of Bart Vanderveen. There is very few photos of Biedermans at all. And they only made a total of 1500 vehicles during the war. Some 300 of them was P1 Crane Trucks. Chers Rolf
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22-10-06, 21:52
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Second one is a Brockway
Source: www.autogallery.org.ru
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22-10-06, 21:56
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And another Brockway.
Source: www.autogallery.org.ru
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22-10-06, 22:14
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Although not up to date there is a huge amount of information including pictures regarding Federal to be found on here
http://www.federalmotortrucks.com/im...index_pics.htm With best regards, Bertus.
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26-12-06, 22:31
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29-12-06, 17:48
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... here's another Federal (?) Wrecker I spotted at John Belfield's Tank Museum in Melbourne in 2005.
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29-12-06, 17:51
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... yep, definitively a Federal :-)
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29-12-06, 17:53
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... and the back of the rusty beauty
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29-12-06, 20:49
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Een leuk artikel van je, betreffende het wagenpark van Kuiper en Leeuwenkamp. Ik ben al jaren op zoek naar foto's van die door jou ook genoemde Dukw's (inderdaad met die houten flonders). Door ons werk op het strand van Schoorl (1970 - 2006) heb ik de Dukw's vaak aan het werk gezien , maar gek genoeg nooit een foto van gemaakt. Mijn eerste vrachtauto op het strand was een International van het type M5-H-6, bouwjaar 1943. Het leek me leuk om op het MLU forum weer eens te schrijven in het Nederlands. Wie weet tot ziens. Mvg. Dirk Leegwater www.lwdparts.com 
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29-12-06, 22:22
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Groeten Hendrik PS next time in english, more people understand.
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30-12-06, 22:24
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31-12-06, 18:53
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Dirk and Hendrik, thank you for your replies and the pictures.
I have a huge amount of pictures spanning the period 1952-1980 but these need to be restored as they are discolored by time. Most of the negatives are quit good, but have to find a way to get those in a digital format. Comencing januari 2th Both of my eyes will be operated on and I will not be able to use the computer to half of february. That means a lot of reading to do when my eyes are ok. In the mean time I wish all users of this forum a happy 2007. Best regards, Bertus.
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28-01-07, 20:01
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Here's a pic of one languishing in the States.
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28-01-07, 20:43
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And one for sale in the Netherlands:
http://koopjes.marktplaats.nl/auto_s.../73055532.html
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20-02-07, 10:51
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30-05-07, 23:09
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Time to take a look at the 604 again, you guys in canada will like this one of Canadian engineers loading timber piles for bridge building
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30-05-07, 23:11
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And another from my good friend Laurie in Aus can any of you guys down there tell me the make of the crane, it is written on the front but is unreadable
cheers Les
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30-05-07, 23:19
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Just found this image of a converted 604 to the recovery role in Belgium
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19-06-07, 23:41
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Les,
Found this image of a Canadian 604 in Holland with a D7 on the back. There are a couple of interesting details on trailer. 1. No toolbox on swan-neck 2. Folding "Bees Knees" ramps (as per your timber carrier and earlier Mack EXBX and White 920) as against standard triangular ramps. Trying to find SM contract number since 604 / Trailmobile combination definitely used by RE as well as RCE in NW Europe 44-45! David
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19-06-07, 23:51
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Caterpillar experts, please confirm! David
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20-06-07, 01:09
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Interestingly I found what appears to be another 604 in the back of a yard here the other day. looks in reasonable nick considering that it has been out in the elements!
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20-06-07, 10:43
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"One of the more obscure wreckers—or vehicles of any sort—of WWII is the C2 Truck-Tractor. The Federal Model 606 truck was equipped with a Gar Wood US6T26 hoist, and was designed to be used in conjunction with a trailer for aircraft recovery and maintenance. Here one of the trucks is used to dismember a downed 8th Air Force B17 in England. National Archives"
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25-06-07, 23:02
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image of a demmobed wrecker in france
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30-06-07, 18:54
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Its unusual to see a 604 loaded with tanks, in this case a Valentine
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