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Vickers Machine Gun Carrier Mk1 No1
Folks, Is this the earliest Carrier in existence?, precedes, Bren, Scout or Cavalry carrier. Featured in Nigel’s Vol 1 book
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 26-08-19 at 18:18. Reason: edited for layout |
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Awesome project
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excellent project and well worth the effort
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_______________________ 1941 mk1 mortar Carrier 1941 Mk1* Carrier 1942 Mk1* Carrier 1943 T16 Carrier 1945 Mk3 Dingo 1941 Mk3 Covenanter 1941 Mk4 Churchill AVRE (now sold) 1944 Mk6 Cromwell (now sold) 1952 Mk3 Centurion 1952 ARV Centurion 1952 ARV Centurion 1953 Mk3 Centurion (breaking) |
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Exciting find, is it yours?
H.
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Hi Hanno, Yes it is, one of only 14 made according to the book, will look for some date stamps but built in 1936 - 1937 I think.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. Last edited by kevin powles; 26-08-19 at 22:21. |
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Where had that been hiding Kevin? I would have thought they were obsolete before WW2 even started!
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Is it CMM 986?
David |
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Hi, It had been saved by a gentleman many years ago and now I have it I’m going to restore it, still has its engine, gearbox and radiator in. I’ll have a proper look at the CMM number to see exactly what it is, but I understand from reading Nigel’s book several of the 12 or 14 were modified for development purposes, this one appears to be still in its original configuration.
One interesting point is the front idler is mounted lower than the later carriers. Kevin
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. Last edited by kevin powles; 27-08-19 at 08:03. |
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Great find Kevin!
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Now that’s a project!
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1943 Willys MB Willys Trailer 1941 Fordson WOT 2H 1941 Fordson WOT 2H (Unrestored) 194? Fordson WOT 2D (Unrestored) 1939 Ford 1 ton utility (Undergoing restoration) 1940 Ford 1 ton utility (Unrestored) 1941 Ford 1 ton utility (Unrestored) BSA folding bicycle BSA folding bicycle 1941 Ford/Marmon Herrington 3A gun tractor 1941 Ford/Marmon Herrington 3 gun tractor (Unrestored) 1941 Diamond T 969 (Unrestored) Wiles Junior Cooker x 2 |
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You are to be commended for taking on this project H.
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Quote:
Kevin
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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Absolutely amazing ! It’s in good hands now too.
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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Incredible that it survived.
This adds to the development story, with the Scout and Bren survivors.
Please post detail pics when you can of the pedals if they are still there, and the rear of the hull with the towing eyes etc. Rob |
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Hi Rob, unfortunately the foot pedal are no longer there, but a picture of the tow arrangement is attached.
This is CMM 985 which is T1829 which was the second carrier built by Vickers Armstrong under contract T2996 one of 14 made. I will contact Bovington to try and get more details and pictures if they have any of this carrier.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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The fuel tanks are almost Have size also, same turnbuckles with two straps.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. Last edited by kevin powles; 12-09-19 at 12:29. |
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You'll need a big bottle of SLOSH for those Kev. Ron
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Yes Ron, I’ll mix it up thick 👍
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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Instruction manual
Here is the instruction manual for the Vickers MG carrier, also covers Bren, Scout and Cavalry carrier, the forward section mentions the 14 made of mild steel. Also note each fuel tank is ten gallons capacity for all types the book covers, Calvary has additional tank.
Kindly supplied by Richard of the Vickers MG Collection. https://wetransfer.com/downloads/7d9...8210018/184114
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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at least the tank fittings are still present. John Wiseman makes perfect repro caps, both vented and none vented variants.
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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Anyone know who the go to guy is at Bovington Tank Museum for archive stuff and whether Vickers have a vehicle archive ? Also the Dash looks different on the Vickers Carriers. Kevin
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. Last edited by kevin powles; 30-09-19 at 09:45. |
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This is what the tank museum has to say :
The Contract Card is dated 8.4.1936 and gives the T numbers as T1828 to T1840 AND T19821. The last one was delivered separately 26/3/1937 (hence the different T number and the different registration number that you can see in some of the photos DMV 877). The reverse states that 7 were fitted with Zenith Carburettor Type 42 VE.I. and 7 with Solex Carburettor Type 30 ??? FF.I.. It doesn’t say which ones are which though… A copy of the contract card is £5. I have located a list of the drawing numbers used in the vehicles construction, but I don’t think we have any of those drawings here. Tyne & Wear Archives might have some if they were given any documents from the old Vickers factory before it closed. That’s where we got our drawings from, but as I said, I don’t think we have any for the No.1 Mark 1 MGC. You can see how they modified the top armour during development to form the shape of the sloped bren carrier.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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One further pic, will get hi resolution copies of these.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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Contract Card
Here is the contract card.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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Radiator
Removed the radiator today, it appears at some point a modified mk2 carrier radiator had been fitted, this suggests the carrier was used after 1942. The top mount bracket from the original radiator has been soldered to the mk2 radiator and the side stays removed to get it to fit. Will send it off for refurbishment this week.
Also to note the carburettor choke knob is located above the decision plate.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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Also to note the carburettor choke knob is located above the decision plate.[/QUOTE]
Kevin, I believe all the pre Universal carriers had the choke control knob mounted at the division plate.
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Hi Lynn, Yes you can see it in this picture. They must of used a commercially available type from that time. I think the one I have can be restored, the focus is on retaining all the original parts.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008. 3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo. 1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone. 10 cwt wartime mortar trailer. 1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo. 1943 Willys MB. 1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985. |
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