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I was in Normandy during the third week of August, but did not get to do a lot of research on-site ('t was a family holiday after all )
I did get in touch briefly with Jean-Pierre Benamou of the "D-Day Academy" (www.ddaca.com), a Frenchman who does battlefield tours. He told me AWD Kangaroo was located in St. Sylvain, SW of Caen, just East of the Caen-Falaise road. I do not have my references at hand, but I would have thought the Allies had not advanced that far by early August? Plus it contradicts Mark's research and reasoning. Mr. Benamou told me his location is documented and he has pictures. Maybe he refers to the picture I posted of the field of wrecks? Anyway, more later, regards, Hanno
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I think Monsieur Benamou is mistaken Hanno, or perhaps he is confusing the the AWD with the startline for Totalize? or where 3Div was located after totalize?
Anyway, I believe Mark's assessment of the location of the AWD is correct and corroborated by veteran accounts and some period docs. Though an exact MR is not available. One letter I have hear from the mid-90's was from a Sgt Avery, attached from #2 TTWS, states they were "were pulled back to a safer location near Bayeaux." I am positive one of the Field Regiment WD's state they turned their Priests in at a location near Ryes. The conversions were done near where the Priests were parked. If I wasn't already neck deep in Kangaroo stuff, prepping for the Guidon ceremony in 14 days, I'd dig into my files. I'd be interested to see Benamou's photos?? Bill. |
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Thanks! Knowing the regiment of ADAPTABLE VIII, one might be able to find the location it was knocked out and therefore get an idea of where this salvage area was.
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In the August War Diary for 14 Cdn Fd Regt there is a document entitled "Re-Organization Instruction No. 1" dated 29 Jul 44. It contains an overlay map showing the locations of the Re-Organization Centre. This map shows an 'Old Eqpt Park', and to quote from the instruction:
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Bill Miller and I just spent the past 2 hours trying to map out the grid references quoted by Tony plus the overlay.
At first it did not seem to line up, but then, suddenly.... So Alex, are you ready to go hunting for this field in France next month?!? Hanno
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Map trace overlayed with GSGS 4347 Sheet 37/18 SW (1:25000).
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Great work fellas!
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So was I initially correct Hanno, the AWD was in the Ryes vicinity . . .
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Thanks go to Mark and Tony who did all the legwork, gradually narrowing down the area where to look. When Bill and I dove into yesterday night, initially the coordinates in the diary did not seem to line up. Bill bought an electronic copy of the 1944 invasion map via the internet, and we started mapping the known info both electronically and on paper. Thus we confirmed the info which was there.
Next month I will be visiting Normandy and will do the necessary ground work and try to locate locals who might be able to provide eyewitness accounts. To be continued! Hanno
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I realised I have been very close to "Kangaroo field" a few years ago, when I was trying to find traces of "B8 Sommervieu", one of the many Advanced Landing grounds. The site (Sommervieu) can still be recognized from the Arromanches to Bayeux road as a large flat area.
I am surprised the airfield isn't shown on the "trace" Tony posted, as it is right in the middle of the routes drawn on the trace (it is shown on the pic Mark posted in post 12 of this thread). Sommervieu was active from 22 June, and allthough I am not sure when it was abandoned, I presume it was still active when the Priests were converted in a field nearby. Attached is a pic of Sommervieu (Kangaroo field marked in orange) Picture source: http://www.forgottenairfields.com/fr...b-8-s1111.html Alex
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I tried to find aerial photographs of the area.
Attached is a picture from the NCAP site. The pictures they have of the surrundings of Bayeux are all taken in April and May 1944), so no vehicles or airfields, but it does show what the "old equipment park" and "new equipment park" looked like just before D-day. source: ncap.org.uk/
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The french IGN website has a bunch of aerial photographs taken just after the war. The earliest picture they have of the fields in question, were taken in 1947.
Sommervieu airfield, although abandoned and returned to the former owners, can still be recognized (lower part of first and second picture) "old equipment park" and "new equipment park" have been cleaned of any remaining kit so it seems...and basically both fields look like they did in May 1944. source: http://www.geoportail.gouv.fr/accueil
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The best detail pictures on the IGN website are taken in 1959. They give a good idea of what is presumably Kangaroo field.
As quoted on page on of this thread "in two fields near Bayeux with the camp sited in the protection of a neighbouring orchard"..... What is described as "old equipment park" could easily be called, "two fields" with the hedgerows in the middle. The Orchard is also obvious......apple trees I presume for making "Calvados". The most interesting pics would obviously be those taken in August 1944 as they will probably show vehicles and stores everywhere. I hope the "Laurier Centre for Military Strategic and Disarmament Studies" in Ontario might have these, but even though they have thousands of pictures available online...I can't seem to find a search option(?). I will try to contact them tomorrow, to ask if they could at least tell me which "boxes" I should investigate. Does anyone have experience with searching for photograps in the LMH archive? http://lmharchive.ca/france/calvados/ Alex
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Today we located the two fields where AWD Kangaroo converted the Priests into Kangaroos. I was there with Alex & friends in my F15A and James & friends in his C15TA in 1CACR markings.
More info and pics after Normandy! Hanno
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Good job folks.
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Tonight, 74 years ago, the first Priest Kangaroos went into action.
Read more about them here: https://milart.blog/2014/08/28/the-p...eptember-1944/ With thanks to Mark Tonner for reminding us!
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