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1939 CMP? on Ebay
I'm not an expert on truck but this one on Ebay seems interesting...
http://cgi.ebay.ca/WWII-1939-FORD-80...spagenameZWDVW |
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Humber...
The same guy has a Humber too..
http://cgi.ebay.ca/WWII-HUMBER-COMMA...QQcmdZViewItem
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Looks like a 41 to me. The air intake louvers indicate it is past the 5000 or 6000 production number. I don't know the exact cutoff, but I know the louvers came in somewhere between 5000 and 10,000.
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Also has a Humber!
The seller with the F-8 cab 11 also has a Humber on Ebay. It is interesting that vehicles like this are still turning up 60 years later!
http://cgi.ebay.ca/WWII-HUMBER-COMMA...QQcmdZViewItem Paul |
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The louvres may be a bit of a red herring as the rest of the truck looks Cab 11. I've emailed the seller for additional info, such as the build date on the data plates. This might be an early F8 cab 11. Derek.
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It's definitely a cab 11 and the louvres indicate a build date of mid 1940 or later. The attached picture shows what the prototypes looked like in 1939.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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The seller is "forthenryantiques"
I think we have discussed this seller, their identity and the quality of what they sell in past on this forum in the context of a C8A HUP/HUW/ZL variant. My memory is that opinions varied widely from "wonderful" to "looks good from far but is far from good".
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The only way to tell the date on a cab 11 Ford is to look at the serial number that's stamped into the frame under the passenger side door. A 1G prefix is 1940 production and 2G is 1941. They didn't have a data plate with the date on the early trucks as far as I can tell. I wonder where he found the 1939? The cab 12s had the date on a data plate.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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I looked at his other items on ebay and it's interesting to note that most of them don't get a single bid.
He says the Humber is in the final stages of restoration but it doesn't look like he's started on it yet. I guess maybe all my acquisitions are in the final stages of restoration too if I use his standards.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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it is a late production 11cab. The early ones had no louvres, just a flat panel and the later ones had the louvres. So as has been mentioned it is more likely to be a 1941.
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Cliff, my cab 11 F15A has serial number 1G 10495 F on the frame which makes its production date in August 1940 and it has the louvers and Chev rear ends.Isn't 1941 production all cab 12s?
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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you are probably quite right but production of the 11 cabs did not start till April 1940 according to Greg's Blueprint for Victory book. As for cab 12's they probably did not start production until 1941 but when is the question. One sure thing is though that the pictured vehicle is not 1939 but late production 1940 or early 1941 as it has the air vents in the front panels either side of the grill.
Another way maybe to find out is when did production of 8cwt 4X2's stop? The 8cwt were fazed out in favour of the 15cwt and this date may give a bearing as to age. I also looked at the Humber photos and if that is photos of an almost fully restored vehicle my wheelchair is Ford V8 powered.
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The thing that caught my eye on this F8, was another example of the lenghtened "short box". Every once in a while one pops up and it seems all of them are located in Canada, or recently transported from Canada.
These lenghtened boxes have been discussed on MLU before and I would be interesting to discuss this issue a little further. I don't have any good arguments, but I tend to think they were lenghtened by the Army during ww2 for homeland use and never left the continent; possibly the 8cwt Wireless trucks were converted to GS trucks as a solution for a shortage of jeeps and or 15cwt's on the homeland (?) Alex p.s. the windscreen on that Humber does look a little odd. or is it just the rubber?
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I have also seen examples where two or even three 15cwt cargo boxes were lined up and welded together to make a new box for the 3 ton. |
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Seen em both.
You're right. The Humber is sad and needs major work. The fact the tranny's out and a gear was "repaired" is not good news. The vehicle is in the same condition he found it in 20 years ago with a neat bronze paint coat.
The 8cwt has been sitting in the barn for 20 years. I would be suspicious of the engine being "apart". It was complete and in the truck when he bought it (I found it). He's selling everything slowly. One item at a time. Ed and him are partners. |
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Hi peter
Any idea what happened to the C8A ZL from the same shed?? regards nick |
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Good question Nick, and aren't these the same guys who were trying to sell the HUP out of the Borden museum, or am I thinking of someone else? Derek.
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Hi Nick,
It went to a good home in Canada. I saw it last November, and it actually wasn't as bad as some people told me it was. Actually, it was so good I would love to own it! Hanno
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Cabs
Canadian orders placed in 1940 continued into 1941 with 1940 numbers, but all of the earliest British orders though placed 22nd June 1940, or thereabouts, were 1941 Models. Thus there were parallel models for some months! The # 12 cab and of course # 42 was a 1941 change and I have the Chevrolet cut-off somewhere.
I have the 1940 Ford engine numbers by month so can date the engine although they could then have sat around for a time pending chassis installation. |
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humber
think you are right Alex, I thought it looked a little odd when I frst saw it. On closer inspection there are amny small differences, it looks to have had a serious 'makeover' at some stage, the proprion of the glazing appears wrong some how, could the roof have been lifted? certainly the windscreen is much deeper than the one on the vehicle we have here. Also the dash has been adapted, the original is a very shallow afar, this one here even has a glove box! Also the seting has been changed to accomodate a wider seat up from and has used parts of the original 'fold flat' rear seats to make a larger bech type seat... I'd guess that some one one up ona time spent a lot of cash on it.. looks to sit lower on the springs too... still nice trucks though!
got the C8 home yet? kind regards nick |
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I have to agree.....I always liked the Humber box. A pity I missed the 8cwt Wireless Humber at Beltring, last year. No, haven't got the C8 yet. Waiting for the builders to remove their trailer from the garden now their work is finished. Only a short while now. Alex
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looking again, I'm wondering if the top of the scuttle has been modified in some way and indoing so the dash has also been altered, In the example we have here its the nastiest rustiest part of the whole job.. so it may have been a repair / modification?? not long to wait then....
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Zl??
When he got it it was totally empty. The interior was remade from photos.
The story about where it was used during WW2 is hogwash. It went out west to an aggressive buyer who wanted it badly. All in all sold at a reasonable price for a cosmetically restored vehicle. The seller doesn't know a box end from an open end and does no work himself. In other words if it limps coming in it limps going out. |
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Re: Humber
Just to put my two penn'orth in
In my dim distant past (probably the dimmer the better) there was a ex-Army Humber Staff Car used as a tow vehicle at the garage where I started my apprenticeship. Looking at the photo's posted on the seller's ad, I don't remember:- A bench seat for the front passenger A glove box A high roof as shown A windscreen that shape A dash/instrument panel different to that shown What I do seem to remember is a solid lump of machinery that could be a pig to start, and drive, at times (although I was too young I did try) and a data plate, in brass, which I think was where the glove box is shown. As a matter of interest, was there not more wooden bits on the exterior Paul. |
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Cab 11
As mentioned these are part of Frank Grant's collection " Canadain Military studies museum" selling thru Ed Fedora of Fort Henry Antiques.
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Looking for Storage Space and Divorce Lawyer
All I can say is help....how many trucks does it take to bake a cake?
cheers Mike in Windsor |
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Does anyone know the name of the buyer and their location of this Humber? I need to contact them.
Thanks, Jim Price |
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