GM Foxes in N.West Europe

[Neil Ashley]

Gentlemen

I would not necessarily dismiss the possibilty of these vehicles serving in the Polish Armoured Division on the basis that of no photographs exist or veterans cannot remember using them.

I have close connects with the 43rd Recce OCA and when Peters article first appeared it rasied a lot of questions. Veterans who had previously denied using certain vehicles when challenged further, changed their minds, and further evidence later came to light. When I pointed out the presence of Wasp and Windsor Carrier's in a regimental photograph, every one had forgotten using them.

Another 43rd classic is the well known Autocar article when the journalist recalls riding in a Morris LRC belong to the Recce HQ of a well known West Country Division. He had just road tested a Morris for Autocar so he should have known the difference, but both Peters article and the veterans deny this.

Units throughout the NW Europe campaign acquired vehicles which they did not have entitlement to, and immeadiately after the war when the Poles probably got these vehicles, strange things did happen.

I had enough problems trying to get still serving soldiers in my ex-regiment to rember what markings they used to have on their Saladins.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
Confirmation or additions?

Here´s another one in NW Europe: The Hague, The Netherlands, 8 May 1945, to be precise.

http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.n...0/29287A01.JPG

Source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/websitehga/
Caption: » Buitenhof met een pantserwagen van de geallieerden; op de achtergrond nr. 42 (B. Dyjer)
Fotonummer: 6.05314
Fotograaf: Schrama, J.M.G., 10212
Datum: ca. 8 mei 1945
1 zwartwitfoto 6 x 9 cm

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Here´s another one in NW Europe: The Hague, The Netherlands, 8 May 1945, to be precise.

And another picture. Never knew they were used in Holland. Did you, Dirk?!?

http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.n...0/11390B01.jpg

Source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/websitehga/
Caption: » Intocht van de Canadezen op de Hofweg
Fotonummer: 1.11390
Fotograaf: Wijk, Ed van
Datum: ex. mei 1945
1 zwartwitfoto 15 x 23 cm

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Here´s another one in NW Europe: The Hague, The Netherlands, 8 May 1945, to be precise.

Picture number three!?!

http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.n...0/10953B03.jpg

Source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/websitehga/
Caption: » Canadees voertuig op de Groenmarkt
Fotonummer: 1.10953
Fotograaf: Douwes, H.A.W., 553333
Datum: ex. 8 mei 1945
1 prentbriefkaart 9 x 14 cm

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Refresh of this thread a couple years later with updated links and often higher quality scans:

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here´s another one in NW Europe: The Hague, The Netherlands, 8 May 1945, to be precise.
Source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/websitehga/
Caption: » Buitenhof met een pantserwagen van de geallieerden; op de achtergrond nr. 42 (B. Dyjer)
Fotonummer: 6.05314
Fotograaf: Schrama, J.M.G., 10212
Datum: ca. 8 mei 1945
1 zwartwitfoto 6 x 9 cm

HGA001-605314.jpg
Source: https://haagsgemeentearchief.nl/medi...2-6275aa3cb923

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

And another picture. Never knew they were used in Holland. Did you, Dirk?!?
Source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/websitehga/
Caption: » Intocht van de Canadezen op de Hofweg
Fotonummer: 1.11390
Fotograaf: Wijk, Ed van
Datum: ex. mei 1945
1 zwartwitfoto 15 x 23 cm

1.11390.jpg
Source: https://haagsgemeentearchief.nl/medi...d-e1f44e11e3b9

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Picture number three!?!
Source: http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/websitehga/
Caption: » Canadees voertuig op de Groenmarkt
Fotonummer: 1.10953
Fotograaf: Douwes, H.A.W., 553333
Datum: ex. 8 mei 1945
1 prentbriefkaart 9 x 14 cm

HGA001048302.jpg
Source: https://haagsgemeentearchief.nl/medi...0-372923d35017

[James Gosling]

Hanno

Any idea which unit these Foxes were with ?

[Stefan Leegwater]

Hi Hanno,

Great pictures, neither I knew about foxes in Holland, you'll always see those humber mk4 on liberation pics etc.

We are busy to recreate a picture like those Hanno, we aren't far from driving to the parades in it's fresh paint!!!

Where will you be with your F15A? Probably Apeldoorn as well?

regards,

Stefan

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by James Gosling
Hanno

Any idea which unit these Foxes were with ?

Hi James;

The Hague, 8 May 45 - they are possibly from the 4th Reconnaissance Regiment (4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards), C.A.C. (1st Cdn Inf Div - Recce Regt).

On the 8th, 3rd Canadian Infantry Brigade (R22eR; CYR; WNSR) entered The Hague, along with other elements of the 1st Cdn Inf Div.

Cheers

[James Gosling]

Hi Mark

What a funny coincidence for the 4th, to have lost their Foxes in Italy and then to use them again in Holland almost a year later!

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
And another picture. Never knew they were used in Holland. Did you, Dirk?!?

Hanno, I was always hoping to see a picture of a Fox in Holland
during the liberation days, Mei 1945.

Groeten, Dirk

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Dirk Leegwater
Great pictures, neither I knew about foxes in Holland, you'll always see those humber mk4 on liberation pics etc.

Dirk, these are the first pictures I have seen of Foxes in Holland. Exiting stuff, isn't it?

Below is a Humber Mk IV, pictured on 8 May in The Hague as well.

http://www.bevrijdingskinderen.nl/be...en_Haag-PV.jpg
source

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Dirk, these are the first pictures I have seen of Foxes in Holland. Exiting stuff, isn't it?

Below is a Humber Mk IV, pictured on 8 May in The Hague as well.

Hi Hanno;

It belongs to the British 49th Reconnaissance Regiment (49th (West Riding) Infantry Division), which is interesting, because according to their history, they were not in The Hague on 8 May, 45, their Squadrons being elsewhere. I'll dig out their locations for 8 May and post them.

Cheers

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Below is a Humber Mk IV, pictured on 8 May in The Hague as well.

Follow-up to my earlier post, disposition of 49th Recce Regt squadrons on 8 May 45:

"A" Sqn - Utrecht
"B" Sqn - two Troops Hilversum and two Troops Amsterdam
"C" Sqn - two Troops Baarn and two Troops Amersfoort

Taskings: 7 to 12 May

- 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division - disarming of three German Divisions holding the 'Grebbe Line' - based on Hilversum and Utrecht

- 1st Canadian Infantry Division - disarming the German Coastal Divisions - based on The Hague and Rotterdam

Cheers

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Bardia again, but she is now wrongly identified!

"Troopers of the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards in a Humber IV armoured car, Matrice, Italy, 27 October 1943

Credit: Capt. Alexander M. Stirton / Canada. Dept. of National Defence / Library and Archives Canada / PA-137994"

[Hanno Spoelstra]

More Foxes in Italy? Click on link for larger view.

Allied vehicle moving down street in Naples during the Italian Campaign.
Location: Naples, Italy
Date taken: October 1943

http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images...c131f4_landing