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[The Bedford Boys]

Originally Posted by RichardT10829

i reckon the single wheel way is the best.... lowers the weight of the trailer and as long as you get the CofG right..with a wee bit nose weight i reckon she would tow a treat ! i recently towed my hull to a pals place for storage on an ifor williams 3.5 tonner and it towed a treat.... mind my carrier is missing its tracks, engine and engine covers har har har.

can anyone advise if the LP carriers are the same width etc as the Can / Brit variants ?

methinks after i have done my cat H licence......cat C maybe not far behind hahaha.

They are dimensionally about the same. I think maybe a tad taller. Except an LP is a heavy lump of cr*p, about a half ton heavier than a Universal I'm told.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi all - ever since I became involved with Carriers my dream was to obtain one of these trailers. Another MLUer has one of these but I will let him respond.

A Northern Territory pioneer and trucker, Kurt Johannsen, bought twenty three of these trailers after the war and converted them to the first self tracking trailers for carting cattle. He described them as "they had two big wheels and stub-axles welded onto the frame and a spare tyre and wheel, all with big almost brand new 1125 x 20 tyres on them"

The above is an extract from his book A Son Of The Red Centre, a well worthwile read.

Bob

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi again - looking at teh second image I would say these trailers were towed by a Blitz, besides which that goes with the era. The other exciting thing about this trailer is that it retained its nomenclature plate.

Bob

[George McKenzie]

There is a maximum weight in Canada that a single axel trailer can haul and it is much smaller then a carrier.I have the 8 ton Fruheauf lowboy trailer that hauled carriers and cats .It has the dolly in the front for towing .The brakes are air brakes. I can pull it with my Diamond T wrecker as it is air brakes allso . But it won.t be going far as it only goes 38 miles and hour at 3 miles to the gallon . I have hauled carriers with my two 7000 lb axel trailer with my 3/4 truck with no problem .The 3500 lb axels are too small for this

[Matthew Reid]

The laws go province to province for axel weights.

The maximum single axle trailer weight in Alberta is 9100 Kg's (20,000 LBS) w/duals 7700 kgs (17,000 lbs) w/super singles 4700 kg's (10,000 lbs) w/singles

So I think the Carrier at about 7500 lbs and the trailer would come just under the maximum axle weight for Alberta

Matthew

[George McKenzie]

We had a 500 gallon fuel tank on a single axel trailer and were told to get a tandem trailer .I'll do some checking on this . I know we never see them any more on the road . To haul a carrier with duals it would be over width or you would have to put the carrier above the wheels .With tires big enough to carry the weight it would be a pretty unstable load .

[Bob McNeill]

Mongrel thing to load with a flat tyre, had 1/2 tyre off each side. the mud guard appear to have been army fitted. Once on the ground again all wheel nuts came off easily, big brake drum.

[Keith Webb]

Glad I don't have to remove those tyres!

[shaun]

with all those nuts hold the 2 peices of the rim together i would guess its an aluminum rim, i know the tyre size is 11.25 x 20 but could you get away with 12.00 x 20 - this size was used on Saladin armoured cars and late Saracen APC and they had aluminum rims as well. not to hard to find here in the UK. All depends on the ply rating of the originals.

[Keith Webb]

I think these are 14.00-20 as used on the AEC Matador.

Originally Posted by shaun

with all those nuts hold the 2 peices of the rim together i would guess its an aluminum rim, i know the tyre size is 11.25 x 20 but could you get away with 12.00 x 20 - this size was used on Saladin armoured cars and late Saracen APC and they had aluminum rims as well. not to hard to find here in the UK. All depends on the ply rating of the originals.

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Keith could be on to something,
Matador used 10.00 x 20 Rims, with 14.00- 20 tyres, steel and very heavy I would say.
What a fabulous trailer, great little (well, you know what I mean) project.
Rich.

[shaun]

in that case then 14.00 x 20 are fitted to Alvis Stalwarts with ally wheels.

[Euan McDonald]

Nice work Bob, looks like the recovery went to plan.

[Local Chap]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

I think these are 14.00-20 as used on the AEC Matador.

Not Matador wheels (not dished enough), and not Staghound either (wrong offset of centre) which also used 14.00-20.

Perhaps Scammell?

[Matthew Reid]

Originally Posted by George McKenzie

We had a 500 gallon fuel tank on a single axel trailer and were told to get a tandem trailer .I'll do some checking on this . I know we never see them any more on the road . To haul a carrier with duals it would be over width or you would have to put the carrier above the wheels .With tires big enough to carry the weight it would be a pretty unstable load .

Ya those figures were right off the Alberta Motor Vehicles Website in the regulations.

And the question is who told you. Police certainly do not always know the regs. We used to get flak for pulling the M101CDN Trailer behined the holiday trailer (Caravan for our brit friends) The Holiday trailer was NOT a 5th wheel but no where in the regs did it say the primary trailer had to be a 5 wheel. Now the regs have changed and they specifically state that the primary trailer must be a 5th wheel.

Alberta and Sask are the only provinces in the Country I belive that will let non Comercial vehicles double up trailers.

I think they may have asked you to get a tandem axel trailer cause you may have been over weight when the road bans are inplace in the spring.


Matthew

[George McKenzie]

I think it was that hauling a heavy load with singles and you had a flat tire you would loose control of your vehicle .

[Keith Webb]

I see Cab 12 14102 is for sale on Ebay currently (Dec 2011)



http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....#ht_500wt_1314

Starting price $1k

[Neil Ashley]

"now that is the way forward.... in UK terms... tax exempt.. you got your accommodation with you and its military ! Mind i bet that was a slow slog to where ever they went"

Unfortunately it would not be Tax or MOT excempt as soon as you started towing the trailer on UK Roads.

[universalgrl]

Two more carrier trailer pictures

[Euan McDonald]

Originally Posted by universalgrl

Two more carrier trailer pictures

I’m confused as these two picture appear up the page in an earlier post from the late Bob Mosley.

[jack neville]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

I think this guy came from Mansfield ..but not sure . The trailer looks to be custom made

MIKE

I actually built this trailer for Robin Mawson. This was the Mk 2 version. The first model I built was originally a dog trailer style with folding ramps scratch built to have a military look. Unfortunately the ramps were manually operated and a bit too heavy. The trailer was also pretty heavy and the whole outfit a little taxing on the Chev. The axles were made from blitz axles by cutting off the ends and sleeving a heavy tube over them. Blitz springs were used. On the second version robin wanted to reduce the weight plus make loading a one man operation. It has high sides and a beaver tail with fold down loading wedges. The beaver tail is slightly funnel shaped and there are guiding blocks welded on the ramp which centre the tracks as you drive up. Very easy to load. The same springs were used but a 25mm plate was lazer cut to fabricate a rocker suspension set up. The guards I fabricated to try and keep some sort of military look about the trailer. He has fitted a later model Chev engine which has been hotter up. The Chev is actually a Aussie RAEME workshop vehicle with fold out sides. As Scrivo says the outfit can maintain a good 80 kph on flat roads all day. Dies on the hills as would be expected but luckily Australia is pretty flat. Without the trailer attached the Chev flies and he has recently added 1100x20 tyres so even quicker. With the Geelong Miltary Re-enactment Group Robin's carrier and this truck is probably the most travelled carrier in Australia over the past eighteen years and has been seen all over the countryside and 'blown up' dozens of times in re-enactments. We would have sourced and restored an original carrier trailer but as this thread shows they are pretty hard to come by and their width is a problem.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by jack neville

but luckily Australia is pretty flat.

With this comment I am now sure that you have never visited Gympie, Queensland Jack

[Paul Dutton]

Originally Posted by cliff

With this comment I am now sure that you have never visited Gympie, Queensland Jack

Or go play in the hills outside Vic!!!!Lovely area but some bloody steep flat places there...!

[jack neville]

Ok we have some hills but our highest mountain(?) is 2228 metres. Mention that if you are in Nepal or the Andes and they laugh at you. Comparitively speaking men, Australia is flat.

[Wayne Henderson]

If you leave from my place, just out of Perth in WA, after about 1200km there is a hill near Eucla. About 1800kms after that there is a pass that goes thru some hills the other side of Port Augusta. Then lots of flat bits around Broken Hill unless you go south into Victoria which owns most of the hills in Australia and also the worst roads.
I went to Victoria once and didn't like it...too hilly.

Regards,
Wayne.

[Lynn Eades]

When we traveled across the Nullarbor on the Indian Pacific railway, the advertising said that there was a 400 mile long straight. What they didn't say was that after the slight kink we did another 250 miles.
The 1 type of vegetation, (about 1 foot high) stayed the same all the way. There were virtually no trees, no people, and no hills (and no drinkable water) Wayne this is one big back yard, you have.