Engine conversions

[chris vickery]

You go Bob!
There is a place for purity and a place for practicality. I love the look of a pure vehicle but in reality, here in Canada I believe that a great number of cmp's never make it out to shows etc. because of their "unique qualities" which make them a bear on our roads.
A trailer queen, OK go for the pureness. A driver to have fun in, go for it.
I love cmp's, but as I call mine the tenacious, stubborn old b***H, which is not far from the truth. Like a mule, when they want to, a cmp will go and go. On the other hand, give them a reason and stubborn becomes a new catch phrase.
All joking aside, in my heart I am a purist when it comes to any antique vehicle. What really changed my opinion on this matter is all the "works of art" that our museums inventory. Most private collectors have better stuff than any museum ever will...

[Matt Baker]

Gday all MLU er's,

I have just purchased a 292 chev engine to hopefully put into my C15 wireless van but i need to pick some brains for info re; how complex is this conversion.

I believe that Euan has been down this track with his gun tractor.

I would really appreciate any photos or info before i take the plunge.

Cheers Matt Baker.

[Wheldon Wishart]

I have put a 250 straight 6 Chev in my C8AX. Im pretty sure the 292 and the 250 are the same size on the outside. Had to lower the radiator down in the frame because the fan blades were spinning below the bottom. Cut a small amount of the cab frame away from the drivers side & remote mounted oil filter , otherwise when I slam down the clutch it dents the oil filter. And a front engine mount to bolt into existing front crossmember and original rubber mount.

[Ryan]

Has anyone put a 351 Ford V8 into a Ford Blitz?

[aj.lec]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Has anyone put a 351 Ford V8 into a Ford Blitz?

Have seen a F60S with a Cleveland fitted . Not sure if it was a 302 or 351

So would imagine a 351 Windsor would fit and possibly a 351 Cleveland
Wouldn't like to change the plugs though ...Very tight

[Ryan]

Ah I forgot about that truck Andrew.
I have a chance to buy a 351. Was wondering about what I could do with it.

On the subject of conversions I have:
A Ford that had a holden 179 straight six.
Two fords with 4d diesels
A Ford with a 8ba sidevalve.

[aj.lec]

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9023

A thread that I started ages ago regarding different conversions

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Has anyone put a 351 Ford V8 into a Ford Blitz?

Tim Vibert installed a 302 into a F15 sunshine roof , and it had the auto tranny , maybe a C4 ? It was at Corowa in 1981 , the vehicle ended up in Tasmania where it had a sticky end, fishermen were using it on the beach and it was swamped by the tide .I have pics of it at Corowa .

[chris vickery]

Bob
As for your canister filter;
You may opt also for a spin oil filter adapter kit which can be placed
Anywhere and plumbed in.
On my 1-1/2t Chev bomb truck, the canister type is mounted on the firewall as these trucks had 235 in them originally.
There is an adapter avail for changing the water
Pump location as well on 216/235/261 engines

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

The location of the oil filter on CMPs (Chevy) was something that was changed several times and was the subject of several service bulletins. The original location horizontal in the frame rail has got to get the prize for being one of the worst locations. There is a service bulletin concerning the change over to the larger military filter on the Pattern 13s and relocation to above the manifold at the rear of the engine.

I suspect that the location of the oil filter above the manifold on the CMPs and on commercial truck with 235 and 261 engines was to get and keep the oil hot so that any moisture would be gassed off as the oil passed through the air inside the crank case. This is and probably a cold weather issue. I believe there is also mention of draining water from the large military filters when vehicles are operated in severe conditions.

With conversion to 235 and 261 on my trucks went to spin on filters at Bob suggestion. On both trucks it is mounted down low and toward the rear of the engine where it can be changed easily but high enough up to avoid being hit by anything. As my trucks are primarily driven in warm weather getting the moisture out of the oil was not as high a priority. But it is an issue and the extra pipe and size of the pipe and the size of large spin on filters is increasing the oil in the system by 2 quarts. I also with the filter and pipes out of the confines of the engine box acts as a very effective oil cooler.

I have done temperature studies on the the temperature of the oil pan, block, and oil filter. What it shows is that with air temperature below about 70 F the oil temp returning to the engine doesn't get up to the engine water temp. In hot weather operation the oil cooler effect is probably a good thing. When I have the C60S with the 261 out on the road in cold weather I generally do run it with the radiator muff on.

One other point with the large remote oil coolers because of the size of the lines is that if one ever brakes off, comes off all the oil in the engine will be gone in seconds. Even with the 216 engine if one of the oil filter lines brakes it dumps the oil real quick. Only had this happen once and fortunately the engine was running on the test stand, when the brass Tee on the side of the engine broke off, suddenly there was a lot of oil hitting the wall of the shop, as I reached to hit the kill switch.

Cheers Phil