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Old 13-07-23, 13:27
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Here’s something I don’t think I’ve ever seen before:

Attachment 134977

That’s the Crabs from assault group Apple stuck on Red beach, with the bridge from AVRE A2B between them and still resting on LCT 1005’s bow ramp.
Great find again Jakko. This particular sequence and a few others in this film are new to me too.

It shows the third and last beaching attempt by LCT 1005, trying to prevent the remaining vehicles from getting bogged in the cobbles. It seems that the SBG bridge has just been dropped and is still attached to the front of AVRE A2B. The submerged SBG bridge from AVRE A2A (ex LCT 737 "Bramble") is also visible on some frames:
LCT 1005 WK - Notes.jpg

The following photo was shot after the first attempt, resulting in the first two Crabs getting stuck:
LCT 1005 landing - Story of 79 AD p171.jpg
Source: The Story of 79th Armoured Division, page 171


The War Amps issued a contents list for Canadian Army Newsreels here. I am attaching it as well in case the source disappears...

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Old 15-07-23, 12:08
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Great find again Jakko.
I can’t take the credit, someone else found it on Facebook and downloaded it for me when I asked him to

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The submerged SBG bridge from AVRE A2A (ex LCT 737 "Bramble") is also visible on some frames:
Attachment 135072
I hadn’t noticed that yet … but it nicely shows the bridge indeed was white too, so I got the colour (mostly) right on my model
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Old 17-07-23, 23:04
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Jakko, here's a photo of a stranded LVT-4 on Walcheren you may or may not have seen before:

http://hdl.handle.net/10648/9d880b0c...f-544e2a463400

Dated 1945, so this was taken after the fighting.

HaNA-149-0676.jpg

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Old 17-07-23, 23:23
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Thanks, but it’s one I already knew about This is one of the wrecks on Liebertsweg just outside Vrouwenpolder, next to what is now Hoevehotel Hof Christina. If you’ve got my book, Tanks at Westkapelle, it’s the LVT that’s just visible in the background of the third photo on page 49.

Some online photos of this vehicle are mirrored, BTW, making it seem like it’s yet another one.
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Old 17-07-23, 23:54
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Thanks, but it’s one I already knew about This is one of the wrecks on Liebertsweg just outside Vrouwenpolder, next to what is now Hoevehotel Hof Christina. If you’ve got my book, Tanks at Westkapelle, it’s the LVT that’s just visible in the background of the third photo on page 49.

Some online photos of this vehicle are mirrored, BTW, making it seem like it’s yet another one.
Thanks, figured you knew everything about it. Is it the same one as shown in the background of this photo? (I'm too lazy to get your book off the shelf... )

NL-HaNA_2.24.01.03_0_934-9747-klein.jpg
Source: http://hdl.handle.net/10648/ad851fc8...8-003048976d84
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Old 17-07-23, 23:56
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Yep, that’s the photo I put on page 49
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Old 21-07-23, 12:30
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I’ve now found the other photos I have of this LVT:

LVT Vrouwenpolder 1 (col. J.C. van Winkelen).jpgLVT Vrouwenpolder 2 (col. J.C. van Winkelen).jpg

These are scans of photos from the collection of local amateur historian J.C. van Winkelen; since he had multiple copies of many photos like these, I suspect some enterprising photographer made and sold them in the 1940s — or perhaps he took the photos himself and printed a bunch of them, of course. On the back of one of these, he had written:

LVT Vrouwenpolder uitleg (col. J.C. van Winkelen).jpg

That is:—
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Vrouwenpolder 1945
(gedeeltelijk door personeel van RAF
gedemonteerd, voor reparatie van
een ander [sic] Buffalo op het dorp)
In English:
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Vrouwenpolder 1945
(partially disassembled by RAF personnel,
to repair another Buffalo in the village)
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Old 30-07-23, 01:35
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Jakko, here's a photo of a stranded LVT-4 on Walcheren you may or may not have seen before:

http://hdl.handle.net/10648/9d880b0c...f-544e2a463400

Dated 1945, so this was taken after the fighting.

Attachment 135165
Great photo! It somehow escaped me so far. Zooming in we can see the callsign 2F (in outline) and the name AUTHIE inside a rectangle:
LVT4 2F 'AUTHIE' nr LVT4 3B Pennant P582220x -149-0676.jpg

2F AUTHIE.jpg

The style of both markings is the same as on 2A ROUVRES. ROUVRES is given by B.T. White as 77 Aslt Sqn RE, but he has erred before and I do not know what his source was:
LVT4 2A 'ROUVRES' Polsten #32 AoS 1233 or 1234, Terneuzen 27 Oct 44 - FO032537.jpg

Another similarly styled callsign is 2E below, but the name (possibly BERNIERES) is inside a dark rectangle (which may come from using a different filter) instead of a light shaded one on 2F:
LVT4 2E name 'BERNIERES' maybe, 2B or 2D 'name' AoS 1233 Pennant, LVT2 3F - FO007628.jpg

Since 2 Tp 80 Aslt Sqn was at BERNIERES on 6 June 1944, AUTHIE on 8 July and ROUVRES on 14 August, I believe there is little doubt left that these three vehicles belonged to it. In the same vein, in 1 Tp the commander's LVT was named ESQUAY, where he had had a close shave on 15 July when his AVRE was set on fire.

LVT 3B might also belong to the same Sqn, because the style of the call sign is quite different from the very distinctive ones of 3 Tp 26 and 79 Aslt Sqns. I have no confirmed photo of 3 Tp 77 Aslt Sqn though.

Michel

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Old 30-07-23, 13:02
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the name AUTHIE
I think it says AUTHE, without an I.

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in 1 Tp the commander's LVT was named ESQUAY
That would be this one, I suppose:

LVT Zoutelande.jpg

That photo was taken here:

Zoutelande oblique aerial photo late 1940s.jpg

… which is, oh, approximately three minutes’ walk from where I’m sitting now typing this. Though I’m in a part of town that’s still farmer’s fields in the photo above.
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Old 30-07-23, 14:11
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I think it says AUTHE, without an I.

That would be this one, I suppose:

Attachment 135214

That photo was taken here:

Attachment 135215

… which is, oh, approximately three minutes’ walk from where I’m sitting now typing this. Though I’m in a part of town that’s still farmer’s fields in the photo above.
Jakko,

AUTHE without the "I" doesn't make sense.

Yes, this is that (and probably the only) ESQUAY. See here and here

What about a nlce Now photo Jakko? See you in 7 minutes then

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Old 30-07-23, 15:30
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On the mirrored version image number 934-9744 the 'I' in AUTHIE is (slightly) more visible/guessable:
934-9744 - LVT4 2F AUTHIE mirrored - corrected - CU 2.jpg
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Old 30-07-23, 16:39
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AUTHE without the "I" doesn't make sense.
Well, other than referring to a village of 91 people instead of 1700 … But yes, in the other photo, the I is actually visible. Poor typography, though …

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What about a nlce Now photo Jakko?
IMG_9972.JPG

The ice-cream shop (with the striped awnings) is the house that Esquay was in front of; the street to the right of it is where the house was, that’s side-on to the main street in the 1944 photo, and the house to the right of that in that photo, is the one to the right of the street in the “now” picture.

I stood here to take that photo, looking northeast. The building that was behind me when I did, is now a small supermarket (and has been for as long as I can remember), but was the main village shop in 1944 — the man with the flat cap in the photo of Esquay was the shopkeeper.

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See you in 7 minutes then
You say that as a joke, but I looked at my watch when I left home (15:21) and when I came back from taking that photo (15:28)

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