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Old 12-02-21, 12:35
David Herbert David Herbert is offline
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The changes are I think just driven by better production practice.

The punch that makes the hole with the 45 degree step will last longer than the original design, require a bit less force and reduce the need to clamp the plate to avoid distortion.

The pressed bit in the top left corner will require less force than the punched notch and support the extreme top left corner of the plate much better. Again the tooling will last longer.

It is possible that there was more than one source of this piece so it could be that one factory was better at production engineering than the other rather than an evolution thing.

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Old 12-02-21, 21:58
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Hi David,

Very good points from a manufacturing perspective. Sharp corners in openings are always to be avoided for stress concentration so I can see why the 45 degree cut was used instead of the 90 degree corner at that position.

I know which one would be easier to replicate unless one has a 20 tonne press!

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Old 12-02-21, 22:49
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I would suggest that all the holes were punched at once with a double-action press: first action clamps the plate flat in the die, second punches all the holes in one action. The die set for the earlier plate with the notched half-round opening along the top edge would be easier to manufacture than the die set with a forming punch to force the bulged shape in that location.



In any event, punching 1/8th MS plate would need to have the plate clamped to avoid distortion and to ensure the plate strips from the punches as the die set's punches are withdrawn. I also suspect each plate was dipped in a drawing/cutting compound prior to placing into the die.


I suppose the other question is the country of origin: Canadian or Australian manufacture? Both from the same country, or one from each?



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Old 13-02-21, 00:59
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I suppose the other question is the country of origin: Canadian or Australian manufacture? Both from the same country, or one from each?

Mike
Hi Mike,

Both plates came off Australian assembled vehicles. Both seem to have never been touched before I removed them. Still, 75 years of paint, mud, and gunk can hide a lot of things.

The other question to ask is what is the purpose of the hole/pressing on the two plates?

From the photo it appears the only reason is to clear the front running board support adaptor bolt. The pressed one actually touches the adaptor at the pressing so was it a secondary reason to perhaps stop the splash plate from vibrating? I guess only the original designers know.

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Old 27-02-21, 02:52
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Good Day,

Recently I sold some Ford CMP bumper brackets and the purchaser asked if I could provide dimensions of an original bumper with a view to fabricating one.

Attached is a drawing of the earlier version bumper with the hole for the reflector jewel which I supplied taken from an original on my truck.
This drawing may be of use to others.

Finding the steel may be the hardest part. That seems to be a unique profile when I checked my very old Bethlehem Steel handbook. No doubt a wider flange could be cut/ground down to replicate the original width flange, or a fabrication job with a bit of welding and grinding. The channel was rolled, and not folded, to that shape hence the square edge at the top and bottom of the bumper.

I have checked, and double checked, dimensions but if you use this drawing I recommend you check them yourself or use a wooden template first. To paraphrase a well used woodworking term: "Measure twice and drill once"

Hope this is of some interest.

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Old 17-04-21, 23:11
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Hi
Thanks again for selling the bumper brackets and providing the drawings. It is made of HEA 160 profile.
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Old 17-04-21, 23:51
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Hi Ivo,

Very glad to see the finished product and my drawing was of use to you. Well done!

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