CFR Request Thread

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by charlie fitton

Thanks Rob, I was hoping to find a correlation between cfr and ser no.... a hint of a pattern, anyway.

Does make one wonder how many of these were actually ordered. When I first started going to the supply depot in London (1973 or so) , there were 99 (I counted) still in the crates ...

Unfortunately, like many of the early individual DND vehicle fleets, there was no correlation between the CFR and the serial number. In this case the fleet name was Motorcycle, Light, 500 cc, Triumph TRW. I have a document which refers to a Mk 2 version but I am not sure if Canada used more than one Mark version of this motorcycle or what the differences between the bike marks was. Your number of 99 crated bikes certainly falls in line with the indicators leading to well over 100 being acquired, but I have yet to discover what the actual number was. The term 'Pattern' is not often, if ever, used in official vehicle nomenclature being reserved more for clothing and individual equipment.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

The term 'Pattern' is not often, if ever, used in official vehicle nomenclature being reserved more for clothing and individual equipment.

SMP = Standard military pattern
CMP = Cdn Military Pattern

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by rob love

SMP = Standard military pattern
CMP = Cdn Military Pattern

Yes I should have been more specific, I was not thinking broad-brush but was more focused on the individual vehicle nomenclatures such as there is nothing listed as a Pattern 1956 Triumph Motorcycle.

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

I have a document which refers to a Mk 2 version but I am not sure if Canada used more than one Mark version of this motorcycle or what the differences between the bike marks was.

The Mk2 simply refers to the changes made by Triumph to the TRW during their production run from 1950 through 1964. According to the research I have been able to cobble together, most of the Canadian TRWs were Mk2 models, being produced from about 1956 through 1958. The Mk1 was probably never shipped to Canada, while the Mk2B was the last series, built from about 1960 or 61 through the end of production. The differences between the models were not major changes.

Re high!
Alex

[Sean McKee]

I recently acquired an M151A2 and am interested in getting some history on what unit(s) it served in and where. No tac markings that are visible (it was repainted when welded back together) that could help tell the story. All I have is the serial on the data plate.

AM General 74-95012292
Engine looks to be original to the vehicle and is manufactured by Ford Canada (BTW, were the Ford engines in M151A2 CDN painted white? Mine is and just wondering if this is correct to the 74 pattern jeeps.

[rob love]

I never saw a Cdn made engine. There were grey painted engines, which were rebuilt. Never saw one in white. Original engines were semigloss black.

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Sean McKee

I recently acquired an M151A2 and am interested in getting some history on what unit(s) it served in and where. No tac markings that are visible (it was repainted when welded back together) that could help tell the story. All I have is the serial on the data plate.

AM General 74-95012292
Engine looks to be original to the vehicle and is manufactured by Ford Canada (BTW, were the Ford engines in M151A2 CDN painted white? Mine is and just wondering if this is correct to the 74 pattern jeeps.

Unfortunately your serial number does not match any of the Canadian M151A2 vehicles in my database. What is the contract number on your data plate?

[Sean McKee]

Scott, I was up at Brian Asbury’s today and we looked at an original AM General data plate from a Canadian contract M151A2 which was a proper 5-digit serial stamped on the data plate. There is a corresponding Ziebart plate with a 74-9XXXX number that was written on the back, so our assumption is on my jeep is that whoever restored it put on a replacement data plate and used the CFR number as part of a “self-created” VIN in order to register it with the Ministry of Transportation in Alberta or BC.

Is it possible for you to use what I am assuming to be the vehicle CFR (74-95012) to check the database to find the 5-digit serial?

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Unfortunately your serial number does not match any of the Canadian M151A2 vehicles in my database. What is the contract number on your data plate?

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Sean McKee

Scott, I was up at Brian Asbury’s today and we looked at an original AM General data plate from a Canadian contract M151A2 which was a proper 5-digit serial stamped on the data plate. There is a corresponding Ziebart plate with a 74-9XXXX number that was written on the back, so our assumption is on my jeep is that whoever restored it put on a replacement data plate and used the CFR number as part of a “self-created” VIN in order to register it with the Ministry of Transportation in Alberta or BC.

Is it possible for you to use what I am assuming to be the vehicle CFR (74-95012) to check the database to find the 5-digit serial?

Unfortunately the CFR (74-95012) you are hoping to use for your M151A2 was actually assigned to a piece of road construction equipment.

[Vik Dulku]

Hey Ed,

could you do a look up on an Iltis?
CFR is 87666
Unit would be either 1 MP Regt, 15 MP Coy or 12/11 MP PL.

Cheers!

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Vik Dulku

Hey Ed,

could you do a look up on an Iltis?
CFR is 87666
Unit would be either 1 MP Regt, 15 MP Coy or 12/11 MP PL.

Cheers!

Vik you know as much as I do, your MP Iltis was disposed of from ASU Chilliwack in January 2007.

ED

[SteveJ]

Hi guys. looking for some history and information for Canadian Armstrong MTEC 0033

Thanks very much to you folks that do this info gathering for us. It means a lot.

[longbranch]

86-88187 is the Iltis in question. Tailgate model.

[Sean McKee]

Trying again to see if this is a serial number for my M251A2.

I found “42323” on a plate on the transmission, so wondering if that could be it. I know SN should be on the body tub - mine shows 74-95011292 on the tub. You’ve said that number isn’t in the CFR database, but I guarantee that this is a former CF machine.

Could you check to see if 42323 could be the assigned CF serial?

Thanks!
Sean