CFR Request Thread

[charlie fitton]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Sure, let me know what the serial number for your motorcycle is is and I will tell you if it is in my database.

These bikes seem to be registered by their engine no.

Might have the letters TRW before the number.

25740


thx

[Ed Storey]

No, sorry that one is not one of the six I have.

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Hi Ed,

My TRW is 'TRW 26232NA' (Matching Frame and Engine) and C.A.R. Number is '57-93992'. It was in the Montreal area after purchase from surplus sales (probably in the 70s) for many years.

Thanks for sharing your research with everyone!

[charlie fitton]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

No, sorry that one is not one of the six I have.

Thx

Any numbers even close?

[rob love]

If you go back in this thread to page 6, the 6 trws that showed on the EDR viewer are listed there: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=170


Or to save you from getting lost, I'll cut and paste the info here:

CFR List

As of 09-NOV-10

Formation : -

Unit : -

Disposal Status : ALL

Year Number HUIC Holding Unit ERN ERN Description
1956 93492 0145 CFB LAHR 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93873 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93874 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93906 0145 CFB LAHR 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93908 0114 CFB/ASU Kingston 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93912 0114 CFB/ASU Kingston 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2

[charlie fitton]

Thanks Rob, I was hoping to find a correlation between cfr and ser no.... a hint of a pattern, anyway.

Does make one wonder how many of these were actually ordered. When I first started going to the supply depot in London (1973 or so) , there were 99 (I counted) still in the crates ...

[David Dunlop]

Back in the late 1960’s, when the main entrance to Kapyong Barracks in Winnipeg was on Kenaston Blvd, just off the corner of Grant Avenue, there used to be 2 of these Triumphs parked on a regular basis beside the long red brick MP Building on the right side of the entrance heading into the complex.

I seem to recall another as part of the FHG Museum collection at MacGregor Armoury more recently. Not sure if it is still there, or if it came out of Winnipeg held equipment originally.

David

[Josh Mordarski]

Hi Ed! Got another request from a gentleman on FB for a trailer he recently purchased.

M101 CDN 2, Serial 1909.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by charlie fitton

Thanks Rob, I was hoping to find a correlation between cfr and ser no.... a hint of a pattern, anyway.

Does make one wonder how many of these were actually ordered. When I first started going to the supply depot in London (1973 or so) , there were 99 (I counted) still in the crates ...

Unfortunately, like many of the early individual DND vehicle fleets, there was no correlation between the CFR and the serial number. In this case the fleet name was Motorcycle, Light, 500 cc, Triumph TRW. I have a document which refers to a Mk 2 version but I am not sure if Canada used more than one Mark version of this motorcycle or what the differences between the bike marks was. Your number of 99 crated bikes certainly falls in line with the indicators leading to well over 100 being acquired, but I have yet to discover what the actual number was. The term 'Pattern' is not often, if ever, used in official vehicle nomenclature being reserved more for clothing and individual equipment.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

The term 'Pattern' is not often, if ever, used in official vehicle nomenclature being reserved more for clothing and individual equipment.

SMP = Standard military pattern
CMP = Cdn Military Pattern

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

I have a document which refers to a Mk 2 version but I am not sure if Canada used more than one Mark version of this motorcycle or what the differences between the bike marks was.

The Mk2 simply refers to the changes made by Triumph to the TRW during their production run from 1950 through 1964. According to the research I have been able to cobble together, most of the Canadian TRWs were Mk2 models, being produced from about 1956 through 1958. The Mk1 was probably never shipped to Canada, while the Mk2B was the last series, built from about 1960 or 61 through the end of production. The differences between the models were not major changes.

Re high!
Alex

[Sean McKee]

I recently acquired an M151A2 and am interested in getting some history on what unit(s) it served in and where. No tac markings that are visible (it was repainted when welded back together) that could help tell the story. All I have is the serial on the data plate.

AM General 74-95012292
Engine looks to be original to the vehicle and is manufactured by Ford Canada (BTW, were the Ford engines in M151A2 CDN painted white? Mine is and just wondering if this is correct to the 74 pattern jeeps.

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Originally Posted by rob love

If you go back in this thread to page 6, the 6 trws that showed on the EDR viewer are listed there: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=170


Or to save you from getting lost, I'll cut and paste the info here:

CFR List

As of 09-NOV-10

Formation : -

Unit : -

Disposal Status : ALL

Year Number HUIC Holding Unit ERN ERN Description
1956 93492 0145 CFB LAHR 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93873 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93874 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93906 0145 CFB LAHR 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93908 0114 CFB/ASU Kingston 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93912 0114 CFB/ASU Kingston 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2

Thanks! Looking at the end of the data, it appears that the six you have listed may all have been 'Mk2B' models. That in itself is interesting! Wishing there was more information about our Canadian TRWs available.

Rev high!
Alex

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Alex Sandor Csank

Thanks! Looking at the end of the data, it appears that the six you have listed may all have been 'Mk2B' models. That in itself is interesting! Wishing there was more information about our Canadian TRWs available.

Rev high!
Alex

While the DND vehicle lists are helpful in determining how many vehicles of a particular type were in use and their CFR range; I have encountered some errors with respect to the recorded vehicle type. Cross checking with the documents in my collection; I came up with a 1959 dated Data Summary which records the vehicle as a TRW, a 1956 Ordnance Parts Identification List for a TRW Mk2B and a 1955 User Handbook for a TRW. All three documents are Canadian although the User Handbook is a British publication. I think the answer might lie within the 1960 Ordnance Catalogue for Vehicles and Tracked Equipment which records the Canadian Army at the time using the Triumph Model TRW - 1950, Triumph Model TR5 - 1953 and the Triumph TRW Mk2B - 1956-1957. All of these Motorcycles were classed part of the Standard Commercial Pattern.

[rob love]

Interesting...I have a TRW that has a very early 1950 frame but the motor serial is from the mid/late 50s. I think my frame number is somewhere around the 14th or 17th TRW made. I assumed it was a replacement frame from the UK or elswhere, but your information, Ed, makes me wonder.

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Originally Posted by charlie fitton

These bikes seem to be registered by their engine no.

Might have the letters TRW before the number.

25740


thx

I will post a bunch of TRW info on the thread about 'Post War Motorcycles' today. That should give you more info.

Rev high!
Alex