Quebec Transport Ministry + MV owners

[Dave D.]

Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

I have been asked by the folks in Quebec who are dealing with the SAAQ, to inquire about Military Vehicle inspection criteria across Canada in the various provinces/territories:

Are there any specific pieces of legislation or inspection criteria that apply to Military Vehcles and to Historic Military Vehicles?

The SAAQ has claimed that other provinces (the exact provinces not stated) have specific inspection criteria for Military vehicles.

FACT or Fiction:

Is this fact/ fiction and links to various legislation and criteria.

When military vehicles are registered as on road for regular use, is there a difference in the annual inspection critaria? For example, a large truck in Ontario requires an annual safety, whereas if registered as a Historic Vehicle, this annual inspection requirement is dropped.

Your thoughts?

Stuart

Alberta freedom.

Sovereign General insured my first MV, the 1986 Chev 3/4 ton M1010 for commercial use. The inspection ensured all components were working. Lights, horn, e-brake etc. They check for leaks, sweat on brake lines, loose components 'still within safety tolerances', tire tread, windshield washer etc.

No further inspections were required from 2010 to 2017ish when I sold it.

Quebec could easily look up the various levels of mechanical inspection forms throughout the provinces. We could even get them a contact with the Judges Advocate Group and the Privy Council if they need legal advice. Here's a B.C. form that was super easy to find.
https://www.th.gov.bc.ca/CVSE/vehicl...PDF/MV3199.pdf

If SAAQ's 'objective' is enabling citizens to operate historical vehicles on public roads safely, historical vehicle collectors should help design the enabling objectives.

I had the easiest process with the 6x6 and as a responsible Canadian citizen, I'm almost certain this is the way it should go.
When I re-built the 1956 M135 we photo documented the process. I sent the pictures to Thomas Schindler Green insurance broker ...now intact insurance.....and they sent me pink cards. "NO INSPECTION REQUIRED".

Say what? Insured without an inspection? The insurance company weighs their risk....adds an ethical/ moral/ historical vehicle file....and 'enabled' this collector to get history on public streets. That was 2012 to 2017.

If Quebec is asking for a design to the new policies, take the word "military" out of any definition and add the word "automobile" or "vehicle".

Catastrophic components from tires to brakes and steering can be inspected after replacement on a historical vehicle but SAAQ can never remove all liability by an inspection process. They will always be jointly liable for putting any vehicle on the road. They just need to get on with it. Inspecting vehicles to make them eligible for insurance doesn't stop a new Toyota throttle from sticking or a Ford truck from burning up and it didn't stop Pintos from exploding.

The bus, suburban and even the Volks Wagon could be considered a military vehicle. The 2 ton international in the 50's and these days, Toyota Tercel can be seen on military bases with military plates.

The bus inspection went the same as all the others. Does the horn work? Yes.
Go drive it, have fun. Call home if you're going to be late.

Alberta Inspection info
https://ama.ab.ca/knowledge-base/art...pection-centre
https://ama.ab.ca/knowledge-base/art...pection-centre

Credit to our Canadian Civil Defence Museum and Archive for the pictures.

[Ed Landstrom]

When the company that carried my antique auto insurance was sold, I got a letter from the new company saying that they could no longer insure my Ferret and half-track because they didn't know what to call them. They didn't "seem to fit any of their classifications". My broker managed to add the half-track to my farm policy as a "White tractor". That company asked for pictures, and the difference between a farm tractor and artillery tractor didn't bother them. They also added my Bren carrier as a "Ford tractor". He offered to look for a creative way of insuring the Ferret, but I decided not to bother. It only goes to shows on a float now.

[rob love]

Manitoba in no way differentiates between regular vehicles and military vehicles. However, when they inspect, they do require that whatever safety features were mandated and would be on a civilian equivalent for that model year would be on the military equivalent (ie CJ5/M38A1).

In Manitoba, you only require one safety inspection for a vehicle under 10,000 pounds. That inspection is required before the initial registration by a new owner or importation into the province and is valid for one year in case the vehicle gets re-sold. That is for regular plates or collectors plates. Regular plates can be insured to drive to work, collectors plates are not normally driven to work. Generally, there is no need for a second inspection unless you have had a major accident or event. Otherwise, no annual inspections, and no emissions testing.

Vehicles over 10K require annual inspections, unless for recreational use. The addition of any of two items (bed, sink, stove, and there might be a few others) constitute recreation vehicle.

Then we have the antique plates. No safety required (including for over 10K vehicles), vehicles have to be over 25 years. Inexpensive, but very limited on what you can do with it. Repair shops, parades and displays is it.

The only other legislation we have that really effects military vehicles is the armour legislation, meant for the gangs and drugs using body armour and up-armouring their vehicles. You need a $100 permit to possess these items, however there is an exemption for historic military vehicles in possession of their owners.

Our dept of transport guys were aware of the MLVWs, and that they did not meet some of the requirements for highway certification in the years they were introduced. The guy I was talking to indicated that there were some in the province that had the necessary work done to be in compliance and safetied. Just as often though, the inspection station does not apply all those criteria, and is more worried about the operation of the brakes and lights being in order rather than some of the design elements.

Good luck to the Quebec guys.

[Robin Craig]

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