Rare vehicles and unusual sightings in Dutch Liberation pictures

[Alex van de Wetering]

It seems every soldier had a lot of "stuff" to move around in 1945......campers, caravans, roofracks, but also all sorts of trailers are seen in period pictures. Ever wondered what to do with half a CMP?

Picture 1 and 2: the rear end of a Chev, Ford or Dodge converted into a trailer. Amsterdam source: https://beeldbank.amsterdam.nl/

Picture 3 and 4: bit more difficult to see, but to me this looks like a front axle converted into a trailer behind this Bedford OY in Den Haag, source: http://www.haagsebeeldbank.nl

Picture 5: Bedford MWC water tanker converted to trailer? Arnhem 1945 source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl

[Alex van de Wetering]

Ex-German trailers in use by their new owners...

picture1 and 2; Sd sh51 trailer behind a carrier in Den Haag: Source: https://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/
picture3; Sd sh51 trailer towed by a Fordson WOT2 in Den Haag: Source: https://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/
picture4; German trailer towed by a Bedford MWD in Utrecht: Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture5; Same Irene Brigade Fordson as picture 3, but this time in Utrecht: Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl

[Alex van de Wetering]

More ex-german trailers

picture1; Bedford ex-portee towing an ex-German trailer in Utrecht: Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture2; Renault UE trailer behind this Bedford QLB in Groningen source:http://beeldbankgroningen.nl/
picture3; tiny Infanteriekarren behind the Jeep in the far right of the picture taken in Nijmegen; https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture4; Another infanteriekarren behind a Tilly in Eindhoven. Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture5; Unknown (to me)...presumably ex-German trailer in Amsterdam Source:https://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/

[Alex van de Wetering]

Probably the best looking truck of WW2....the Karrier K6. Nowadays Karrier trucks are rare, but even in period, they weren't quite common.

picture1; Karrier K6 in Bolsward: Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture2; Karrier K6 in Leeuwarden source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture3; Karrier K6 in Utrecht source:https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl
picture4; Karrier K6 with roof storage in Utrecht, the picture description says this is during "Operation Faust" Source:https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl
picture5; Karrier K6 in Weert Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl

[Ed Storey]

They are quite rare indeed. I just happened to photograph this one on a MVCG tour in the Netherlands back in 1986.

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[Alex van de Wetering]

Ed, that looks like a nicely restored example. I wonder if it's still around. There was one in the XXX Corps tour in 2014, but that one was in camouflage, although it might be the same truck.

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

More rare trucks.

picture1; Two unusual trucks in Arnhem (1st and 3rd in line).....I think these might be Morris CDF's again.....any thoughts? : Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture2; Rare Mack NR closed cab....and three Mack NM's with lenghtened bodies. Groningen Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl
picture3; Bedford QL tipper at a Funeral in Utrecht :Source:https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl
picture4; Thornycroft ZS with searchlight at the entrance of Burgers Zoo in Arnhem Source:https://mijngelderland.nl
picture5; Probably the same searchlight truck in Arnhem: Source:https://www.geldersarchief.nl

[car_commander]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

They are quite rare indeed. I just happened to photograph this one on a MVCG tour in the Netherlands back in 1986.

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Ed, That could be my truck back when it was owned by Bernard Venners. Bernard was always known to carry a bicycle on the roof.
Here it is again during September this year on the LTF XXX Corps trip.

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[Ed Storey]

Nice to see that the vehicle is still on the road.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

More ex-german trailers

picture1; Bedford ex-portee towing an ex-German trailer in Utrecht: Source:https://beeldbankwo2.nl

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John Rippingham is looking for this picture, but I cannot find it when I search for "bevrijding Utrecht" in the BeeldbankWO2.

I did find some other photos of it - I think it is the same truck with it's field modified cab:

https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...d-8162cc7f1850

https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...5-3168d2c182d0

And here is another Portee:
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Source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...c-71ae4a1c1579

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

John Rippingham is looking for this picture, but I cannot find it when I search for "bevrijding Utrecht" in the BeeldbankWO2.

I did find some other photos of it - I think it is the same truck with it's field modified cab:

https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...d-8162cc7f1850

https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...5-3168d2c182d0

That is quite the rig, which is not surprising, as it is the Cooks vehicle.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

John Rippingham is looking for this picture, but I cannot find it when I search for "bevrijding Utrecht" in the BeeldbankWO2.

Will see if I can find it Hanno. I might have made a mistake with the source!


EDIT:
I think the picture originated from the Utrechts Archief, and shared on BeeldbankWO2. However, it does indeed seem to have been removed from Beeldbankwo2.....but it's still online on the Utrechtsarchief website.

So....for Rippo:

https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...ws=1&page=1091

https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...ws=1&page=1089

https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...ows=1&page=447

https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...ows=1&page=423

https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...ws=1&page=1096

https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...ows=1&page=657

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Will see if I can find it Hanno. I might have made a mistake with the source!


EDIT:
I think the picture originated from the Utrechts Archief, and shared on BeeldbankWO2. However, it does indeed seem to have been removed from Beeldbankwo2.....but it's still online on the Utrechtsarchief website.

So....for Rippo:

Exellent, Alex! Thanks for sharing this. Some of the archives seem to take down some content, or minimise the resolution, while others are enlarging their scope and quality of content.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

It seems every soldier had a lot of "stuff" to move around in 1945......campers, caravans, roofracks, but also all sorts of trailers are seen in period pictures. Ever wondered what to do with half a CMP?

Picture 1 and 2: the rear end of a Chev, Ford or Dodge converted into a trailer. Amsterdam

This screenshot shows a similar conversion. Is it a 2B1 15-cwt body on the back half of a 15-cwt chassis? The wheels look larger. It is towed by a C15TA.

This picture was not taken in Holland, but during OPERATION GOLDFLAKE - the move of 1 Cdn Corps from Italy to North-West Europe, Feb-Mar 1945. So this trailer proably ended up in Holland.

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[David Dunlop]

Hanno.

It almost looks like tie rods under the axle assembly on that trailer. A salvaged front end, or perhaps even an artillery axle?

David

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

It almost looks like tie rods under the axle assembly on that trailer. A salvaged front end, or perhaps even an artillery axle?

David, well spotted!

It could indeed be a true "bitsa" made up from parts scrounged from the battlefield scrapheaps in Italy.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Well spotted Hanno! For a moment I thought.....wartime Sankey

Alex

[Grant Bowker]

I don't think it's a salvaged front axle - neither a differential housing nor the typical drop of a non driven axle (and not as heavy as the straight axle of a 3 ton CMP 4x2).

[Hanno Spoelstra]

The tie rods may be mechanical brake linkages?

[Steve Guthrie]

A couple of interesting documents.
The first two are from 'Wait for the Wagon' by Arnold Warren. It's a history of the Royal Canadian Army Service Corps. These excerpts explain why units made their own trailers

The next are parts of the Manifest for the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop and list all the vehicles it shipped from Italy to France in February 1944. Lots of unregistered trailers and some rather interesting vehicles too

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Very interesting info!

Thanks a lot for sharing, Steve.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Steve Guthrie

The next are parts of the Manifest for the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop and list all the vehicles it shipped from Italy to France in February 1944. Lots of unregistered trailers and some rather interesting vehicles too

More documents from Steve:

Here are a couple of really interesting documents from the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade RCEME Workshop. They list vehicles (their own and other 1 Corps assets) which were sent from Italy to France in Feb 1945. Look at the number of types plus the number of unit built trailers, which did not have census numbers.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Courtesy of Steve, part 2:

Here are a couple of really interesting documents from the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade RCEME Workshop. They list vehicles (their own and other 1 Corps assets) which were sent from Italy to France in Feb 1945. Look at the number of types plus the number of unit built trailers, which did not have census numbers.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

It seems every soldier had a lot of "stuff" to move around in 1945......campers, caravans, roofracks, but also all sorts of trailers are seen in period pictures. Ever wondered what to do with half a CMP?

Picture 1 and 2: the rear end of a Chev, Ford or Dodge converted into a trailer.

Mike Calnan noted:

Really hard to make out the markings on this one. Most likely artillery based on the hat badge of the young fella with the big grin! Some Gunner units used the M3 Scout Car as a Battery Reconnaissance vehicle. They were also a good size for a FOO vehicle. Drop the trailer in the hide and then move to a position of observation.

To which Mark Tonner replied:

The vehicle belongs to one of the regiments of 1 Cdn AGRA, whose Arm of Service (AoS) serials were:
1 Cdn Med Regt - 181
2 Cdn Med Regt - 182
5 Cdn Med Regt - 180
11 Cdn Army Fd Regt - 184
all with a 2-inch white bar below
(Source: SD 4/Tpt/Veh Markings/5 - “Vehicle Serial Numbers CMF Units,” dated 7 April 1945)

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And who knows, this could be the same White Scout plus makeshift trailer before the move from Italy to Holland?

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Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205538734

[Alex van de Wetering]

Steve, Hanno,

Thanks for adding these very interesting documents!!

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Note the rear body of this 15cwt has been extended and heightened. It tows a trailer frame which could be a dolly?

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Source: http://www.oorloginblik.nl/film/niod/2759771?