2017 at the Hammond Barn

[Grant Bowker]

From above it looks like CMP seats I'm familiar with. perhaps less abused than many but otherwise much the same.
From below the mounting I'm familiar with from cabs 11, 12 and 13 isn't there and there are cone shaped mounts on extended studs below the rail. All welded neatly in place. Also the seat position lever is much fancier than I'm used to in cab 11, 12 and 13. Does anyone know what the seats come from?

[Grant Bowker]

As a teaser to the next posts, this is the floor recently recovered. We had it home before we noticed it wasn't the "normal" floor associated with 2 speed transfer cases (or for that matter any other I had seen before).

[Grant Bowker]

Attached to the transmission is half of the tire pump PTO assembly. The drive gear and shift lever are there but no pump. The blanking plate is a factory looking light metal part, not the crude steel plate you would expect Bubba to make if he just ripped the pump assembly off. Also, since the six bolt attachment to the transmission is a standard size/shape, it would be so easy to find a cover. Also taking it all off would leave more clearance around the transmission. I don't know of anything else that used this style of PTO so I can't think of a reason only half of it would be installed at the factory to let the other half be installed later. Most PTOs transmit more power than I would expect them to put through the light metal castings used here. Everything else CMP is so heavy this seems out of character for a PTO intended to transmit much power.

[Grant Bowker]

The part of this that first caught our eyes as unusual was the shift linkage for the transfer case and transmission. Most 2 speed Chevrolet CMP transfer cases we've seen have a tower that is mounted to the transfer case crossmember and pokes up through the floor. it has multiple rods and interlocks and requires quite bit of fiddling to set up. Bob detests the fiddling. It lets you select 2wd, 4WD High, 4WD Low or neutral for winching.
This setup will only let you have 2WD or 4WD Low. The same movement of the lever that engages the front axle also selects low gear. This case does not have a PTO fitted. In this style linkage winching (or other transfer case mounted PTO functions) are controlled separately so I believe could be engaged while the truck is in gear.
This transmission and transfer case also explain an engine cover with shift plate that came with my C60L (with REL body) that made no sense with the "normal tower shifter T case on the truck.

[Grant Bowker]

Better view of the linkages

[Grant Bowker]

Shift plate. The people we got the engine cover and other parts from know each other and the parts all came from the same general part of Ontario so it is possible they might have all come from the same truck. We haven't asked questions yet. The weight on the engine cover is consistent with a C60L.

[Grant Bowker]

There seem to have been early and late shift linkages with changeover at the start of "1944" production. The tower style being early and the one shown above late. Only a theory - but perhaps the style shown above may have been developed to reduce the fiddling to set up the tower style? Perhaps to ensure drivers didn't use 4WD on pavement (they would select high and as a result 2WD for speed)? I had noticed the later style linkage in the C60X parts book but hadn't been conscious of it in the others until I saw the linkage in person and started trying to understand. The C60X version also shows a brace rod from the transmission to the transfer case that isn't illustrated in any other list. Again only a theory - to support the greater torque of the 270 CIG GMC engine compared to the 216 CID Chevrolet?
The C60S and C60L parts lists I have only illustrate the earlier linkage but they do list the later parts. (There is a later version of these lists than the ones I have.) The C60S and L illustrations appear to be the same as those shown as the earlier pattern in the C30 and CGT lists. The illustrations in the CGT and C30 lists appear to be the same. As far as I know, no C60X had a winch as the usual transfer case winch location is used to drive the second rear axle.

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

Shift plate. The people we got the engine cover and other parts from know each other and the parts all came from the same general part of Ontario so it is possible they might have all come from the same truck. We haven't asked questions yet. The weight on the engine cover is consistent with a C60L.

Hi Grant

I've had both engine covers for my Pat 13 C60S and Pat 13 HUP off and side by side believe them to be the same, but now that I look at the photos I wonder if they are. Never tried switching them. Tan is the C60S and OD is the HUP.
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More info and measurements on http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/Pattern%2013%20Engine%20Cover%20Drawings.htm

Now I'll have to check some measurements to see if they are the same.

Good to see more parts being saved.

As to the seat I would not be surprised if they are from a radio or cypher truck, where there were keyhole mounting points on the floor.

Cheers Phil

[hrpearce]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

Shift plate. The people we got the engine cover and other parts from know each other and the parts all came from the same general part of Ontario so it is possible they might have all come from the same truck. We haven't asked questions yet. The weight on the engine cover is consistent with a C60L.

Hi Grant, I have one of those shift plates and finally found out that it came from a fire tender. Your pictures are the first I have seen of the shift linkages and answer questions I have had for years.

[Frantisek Nachlinger]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

From above it looks like CMP seats I'm familiar with. perhaps less abused than many but otherwise much the same.
From below the mounting I'm familiar with from cabs 11, 12 and 13 isn't there and there are cone shaped mounts on extended studs below the rail. All welded neatly in place. Also the seat position lever is much fancier than I'm used to in cab 11, 12 and 13. Does anyone know what the seats come from?

I KNOW THOSE SEATS I NEET THOSE SEATS, AS MANY AS YOU CAN FIND!!! PLEASEEEEE!!

PM sent

Frankie

[RHClarke]

It has been a busy year - away from the barn, and so not so many posts. However, this will have to suffice until the New Year.

From Bob Carriere, Grant Bowker and myself, enjoy your holidays and Merry Christmas!

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[Bob Carriere]

Did my last run of the year today at minus 21 C ....... with no top so open roadster style........ ran like a charm once I had the battery was recharged,

Now I am ready for New Years Day snow run 2018........ forecast for Jan 1st morning....... minus 28 C ......nice fluffy snow every where.

....... what I would give for an Australian sun burn right now!!!!!!

Cheers

[Frantisek Nachlinger]

Sorry for spamming this tread again, but I am still in a huge need of those seats

Mr. Grant Bowker - The seats in your post #46 are the rear seats from a FAT, here is a picture of the original mountings in my cab 13 FGT. I have found one pair allready, but still need 2 more seats. please, if they were free to swap/sell, let me know, I am highly interested in them.

Frankie