Turn signals and seat belts

[elvis3006]

Originally Posted by rob love

I would be very surprised to see a province or state make seatbelts mandatory for vehicles that did not have them in the first place. Here in Manitoba, there is a cut-off date of 1970, so I am guessing the Dept of Transport for Caanda made them mandatory in that year.

Here is an excerpt from your province wrt seatbelts:

Seat belts

Seat belt assembly must not be removed or altered

106. (1) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle in which a seat belt assembly required under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) at the time that the vehicle was manufactured or imported into Canada has been removed, rendered partly or wholly inoperative, modified so as to reduce its effectiveness or is not operating properly through lack of maintenance.
Use of seat belt assembly by driver

(2) Every person who drives on a highway a motor vehicle in which a seat belt assembly is provided for the driver shall wear the complete seat belt assembly as required by subsection (5).

Thanks Rob I called MTO and they said basically a historic vehicle that was originally made without seatbelts prior to 1974 does not require them still, what I wish to confirm now is turn signal lights. My vehicles were never originally made with them. She could not find that provision in the Ontario Hwy act only because she did not have time to research it. So without having to read 500 pages lol I hope someone here can confirm this.

[Jordan Baker]

Same rule about what was orIginal at time of manufacturing applies for turn signals. I do believe that all vehicles must have one red brake light and no white lights turned on facing the rear unless the vehicle is reversing.

I believe the only requirement for turn signals on a vehicle regardless of age is if the vehicle is over a certain width. I seem to recal it is 80" wide.

[elvis3006]

Thank you for the help everyone.

[BCA]

In Ontario there is no exemption from having a licence plate light, even if not equipped at time of manufacture. For M-series vehicles like an M38, I run a short wire from a light on the licence plate bracket to the trailer plug receptacle and push it into an appropriate hoke for the tail light circuit.

[Eric B]

Hello

Some traffic tidbits

The others are correct in that seat-belts are not required in Ontario for pre-1970 vehicles. If you do decide to install them they should be installed by an authorized person (good luck with that) and then you would be required to use them.

Brian is correct about the licence plate light, however as long as the plate is visible you should not have an issue.

Electronic Signals are not required, but you do need to signal using your arm.
Most people do not realize that when slowing down they have to indicate such, so if they are downshifting they still need to touch the brake or use their arm to indicate such.

If you have a right hand drive with no electronic signals you need a sign indicating such.

On another note if you have a Year of Manufacture plate registered to the vehicle you can attach the Validation sticker to a little plate attached to the YOM plate. It does not have to be attached directly to the YOM plate.

Thanks

Eric

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally Posted by BCA

In Ontario there is no exemption from having a licence plate light, even if not equipped at time of manufacture. For M-series vehicles like an M38, I run a short wire from a light on the licence plate bracket to the trailer plug receptacle and push it into an appropriate hoke for the tail light circuit.

Brian...during dvr wh trg at LFCTA (Now 4 Div TC), I asked our Adm Clk, who was heading to Tpt, to pick up a couple of licence plate lights for our MLVWs.
(MLVWs did not have licence plate lights).

I sorta fell out of favour with her after she returned, steaming mad that she'd been duped. No sense of humour!

[maple_leaf_eh]

Thank you Eric.

As someone who applies the regulations daily, it is important for us to hear your input.

Would a licenced vehicle inspection station be approved to install seat belts? If they can tell me to close off the factory rain drain holes, I'd hope they had the power to certify the cotter pins on my seat belt bolts.

BTW, for weeks I've fumed silently about a particular traffic behaviour in my neighbourhood. Tonight, I watched a driver predictably misbehave that same way, and tonight there was a marked car RIGHT behind the incident vehicle lighting him up. Ah seeing my tax dollars at work!

[r.morrison]

Hi Elvis.... just my 2 cents on the subject. Whether or not the provincial and/or federal governments have a jurisdiction over these areas, well it depends on each area of Canada or basically where you live world wide. Myself personally, I would agree with the contents thus far with the seat belt law. I have an 67 M38A1 with seat belts in the front seats only and I use them. The back seats do not have them and I have never researched whether they were used or added to this vehicle over it's life span within the Armed Forces. However.....the fact is when ever I can, I drive the jeep with the wind shield down and those seat belts just give me that little bit extra security. Whether they save my life or not....well news at eleven!

As far as signals are concerned, I wouldn't drive any military vehicle anywhere without "proper" UP TO PAR turn signals and brake lights. All of my vehicles are equipped with them.....AND even then, it is amazing how many " blind" people are on the road today. Gentlemen...I live in Vancouver the "United Nations of Drivers Licences". I rest my case! Robert