Matt Paint availability?

[Bob Carriere]

I need to repaint the floor of my large enclosed deck....... previously painted Grey with special deck/veranda oil based paint. Now I find out that all household paint in Canada is water base ONLY....... and the water base paint will not adhere to oil paint unless the floor is sanded and or primed...... 3 times the work and twice the cost.

Some searching shows that equipment (farm) oil paint is still available from TSC and Canadian Tire........ Tremclade is still available in oil and now in water based but you have to settle for existing color mix. CTC also sells Armour Coat oil based paint as a house brand....... and if you find a large enough CTC and a competent sales clerk....... they can mix Armour Coat to any shade available in the Premier Paint line they sell....comes in light and dark base shade and mixed the traditional way. I am now aware of any flat shades but they do have semigloss.

Years ago when we painted M37 with our own mix of Tremclad we used plain old gasoline as a reducer and it produced a nice semigloss shade that gradually faded to almost flat.

So back to my deck, I need to get 4 gallons of Terracota red which they will mix for me...... but the advice of the CTC paint guy was to bring my wife to select what shade of terracotta she really wants.......

Now milk paint is available from Toronto suppliers but is only suitable for new wooden surfaces but very durable.

I have been told that most of the states have also banned oil based paint for household paint but that Vermont has not enacted the ban YET.....

Most of the military paints available in flat from the States are still available .... the issue is what do you declare at the border crossing and shipping commercially maybe an issue for the future.

We may have to come up with our own mixing formula using basic red, blue, yellow and make sure the red is Red Oxide to get a semi gloss/semi flat finish if the US suppliers dry up.

I am not sure if the automotive water based paint, without the top clear coat, is adequate to seal the metal from water....... current red oxide, also flat grey and black primers will allow surface rust bloom to occur if not sealed with a top coat.

Choice of words is a short term solution to get around legal issues.... for example POR 15 is defined as a "coating" not a paint...... and at least so far, farm equipment oil paint, is still available.

Cheers

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Thanks Bob. No matter how you cut it, it's going to get a lot harder and more expensive to find the right paint...IF you can find the right paint at all.

Now that I'm in a griping mood, I'll mention It's getting equally hard to find linoleum for vehicle floors and table tops, slot headed screws, 9:00x 16 tires, the right weight and shade of canvas, shops that have any idea how to turn drums and reline brake shoes or parts counter staff that will give you the time of day if your vehicle can't be found in their computer system, which odds are it can't.

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

I need to repaint the floor of my large enclosed deck....... previously painted Grey with special deck/veranda oil based paint. Now I find out that all household paint in Canada is water base ONLY....... and the water base paint will not adhere to oil paint unless the floor is sanded and or primed...... 3 times the work and twice the cost.

Some searching shows that equipment (farm) oil paint is still available from TSC and Canadian Tire........ Tremclade is still available in oil and now in water based but you have to settle for existing color mix. CTC also sells Armour Coat oil based paint as a house brand....... and if you find a large enough CTC and a competent sales clerk....... they can mix Armour Coat to any shade available in the Premier Paint line they sell....comes in light and dark base shade and mixed the traditional way. I am now aware of any flat shades but they do have semigloss.

Years ago when we painted M37 with our own mix of Tremclad we used plain old gasoline as a reducer and it produced a nice semigloss shade that gradually faded to almost flat.

So back to my deck, I need to get 4 gallons of Terracota red which they will mix for me...... but the advice of the CTC paint guy was to bring my wife to select what shade of terracotta she really wants.......

Now milk paint is available from Toronto suppliers but is only suitable for new wooden surfaces but very durable.

I have been told that most of the states have also banned oil based paint for household paint but that Vermont has not enacted the ban YET.....

Most of the military paints available in flat from the States are still available .... the issue is what do you declare at the border crossing and shipping commercially maybe an issue for the future.

We may have to come up with our own mixing formula using basic red, blue, yellow and make sure the red is Red Oxide to get a semi gloss/semi flat finish if the US suppliers dry up.

I am not sure if the automotive water based paint, without the top clear coat, is adequate to seal the metal from water....... current red oxide, also flat grey and black primers will allow surface rust bloom to occur if not sealed with a top coat.

Choice of words is a short term solution to get around legal issues.... for example POR 15 is defined as a "coating" not a paint...... and at least so far, farm equipment oil paint, is still available.

Cheers

[Bob Carriere]

....or old Foggies......

There is a USA based company that occasionally advertises in the Military magazine and they now have a full array of flat paint, historically accurate shades, in a water based paint / acrylic...... but can't seem to put my hand on a copy that has the advertising. Not sure of the final results and durability or ease of surface preparation but they claim museum quality. Will keep looking.

Cheers

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

, slot headed screws,

These are the guys I use for the old stuff.

http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/

They have a few basic rules:


Of course, since we specialize in old-fashioned fasteners, you can also assume several additional rules, including but not limited to: No Pop-Rivets, No Torx, No Metric, and No Combo

[r.morrison]

Okay....I'm going to wade into thing paint "thing" one last time. I am a commercial painting contractor in Vancouver and I deal with all the major Suppliers and Manufacturers across Canada. I have been in the "game" for over 35 years, have created paint that was never invented before and even had my own line of paint in the film and theatre industry....the best in North America! AND it still being sold and used today throughout Canada, and God knows, the rest of the world.
So that said....I do have a wee bit of experience in the paint game.
Now, I will attempt to see what I can come up with for the "Matt Man" and the infamous "Terracotta Warrior" of the outer reaches of the planet "Hammond Barn". The one thing that all should pay heed to was the advise given to the Hammond Barn Wizard by the CTC Soldier was: "bring your wife in to select what shade of Terracotta....SHE REALLY WANTS! The best advice ever! Saved many a marriage!
And as far as water based products going over oil based products, they have remedied that with waterborne enamels and water/oil based paint bases. And like any project to be painted ...some sanding HAS to be done. Be it decks or vehicles. Sorry Bob!
AND on top of that now....I'll see if I can get you wholesale prices, although not CTC.

Robert

PS: Now speaking of paint.....I still have just over 4500 spray cans/rattle cans of paint to sell. 3 for 10 bucks plus shipping. You can check Craig's List Vancouver and type in 'Spray Paint Cans" and check out the entry of "Spray Paint Blowout" to see whats in stock.

Cheers ....Robert

[Jim Burrill]

Here in the States Martin -Senor sells pint cans of flattening agent. This is added to their gloss automotive paints. You have to do trial and error though to get the amount right.

We used this on the Humber A/C a few years ago. We didn't want dead flat. A very slight gloss to make a good water seal.
http://www.martinsenour-autopaint.com/products/

[Jordan Baker]

This is the McDonald and White SCC2 paint. It's labeled as an industrial enamel. But the label with the paint code says it's acrylic enamel. It is dead flat, dries quickly and covers well. It does need a good primer under it otherwise water will wick through it.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

This is the McDonald and White SCC2 paint. It's labeled as an industrial enamel. But the label with the paint code says it's acrylic enamel. It is dead flat, dries quickly and covers well. It does need a good primer under it otherwise water will wick through it.

I hope you stocked up. I was in Windsor last weekend only to discover McDonald & White no longer sells that paint (new government regulations) and why I started this thread. It's disappointing...Geoff Bottoms had them match it from one of my original SCC2 parts and it was a great matt paint in the right colour for the right price.