For Sale: Repro winter AFV Crew Coveralls aka "Pixie or Zoot Suit"

[Jim Burrill]

Agree. so When I saw that after following the style of the Army label, he added WorldWing1@Gmail.com as well as the word REPRO to the labels should do the job. In any case, an unscrupulous dealer could always cut the label out.

List, do you think that will keep the historical "newness" intact?

Jim

[Jim Burrill]

Ed, sorry, I saw after the post your suggestion to paint/stencil the word reproduction in large letters inside.

As a reenactor, That would bother me. I would be unhappy to have the reproduction be disfigured in such a visible manner. Rather like buying a red dress tunic, only to find it had been slashed when it was surplussed.

However, I will bow to the collective expertise of the folks buying the suits. and ask Irfan to start adding a large "REPRODUCTION" stenciled in 3" tall letters across the inside back and shoulder area so it is obvious it is a reproduction.

Honestly, it doesn't take long in the hobby before being aware of how some dealers try to defraud people, and then is is the old saying of "let the buyer beware". Irfan is certainly not trying to sell these as "newly discovered originals.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Jim Burrill

Honestly, it doesn't take long in the hobby before being aware of how some dealers try to defraud people, and then is is the old saying of "let the buyer beware". Irfan is certainly not trying to sell these as "newly discovered originals.

I don't think it is a matter of a dishonest seller trying to flog reproductions as originals. It is more a matter of how someone can discern an original from a repro many more years down the line.
I think a label stating it is a reproduction is a good thing. Why not something along the line "Faithful and skillful reproduction by Irfan in collaboration with Burrill Ordnance"? Why not be proud of the work you two have put into it?

Just my EUR 0,02 worth,
Hanno

[Tim Bell]

For me as a seasoned reenactor and collector.

These are not exact reproduction - they are close.. there are differences and am sure when am out and about in mine, the rivet counters will be delighted to tell me what they are.

No other manufacturers of reproduction clothing see fit to print "Reproduction" in 3in high letters on their kit.

This garment is a limited manufacture run to members of this forum and a few other AFV owners who want quality kit to wear... Am perplexed therefore why this suggestion has arisen given those for whom these are being made.

Other manufacturers take less intrusive approaches - fake manufacturers labels and stamps... Steve Kiddle at Pegasus Militaria uses "HJN co".

I have no complaint with a fake manufacturer's name... even down perhaps to REP.Ro.

But am dead against "Reproduction" in 3in high letters across the inside... this is way over the top and not necessary... certainly not in mine, which is for me to wear with my vehicle.

Tim

[Jim Burrill]

A number of buyers (and some non-buyers) have PMed me about this.

While everyone agrees that these should have some kind of ID as a repro, the consistent feeling is to be discreet with the markings.

Since Irfan has already made up facsimile labels which include the word Reproduction and his Internet website on it, I think we will just leave it there.

It is up to the buyer to add any additional markings to theirs to address their concern about preventing some future fraud.

What you can do is to take an indelible ink pen like a common Sharpie and mark your suit where-ever and however you choose.

Personally, I use my last 5 of my SSN as my pretend "Army Number" so I can recognize my webbing and kit from my club-mates.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Jim Burrill

Since Irfan has already made up facsimile labels which include the word Reproduction and his Internet website on it, I think we will just leave it there.

That is perfect. Anyone wanting more than this genuine maker's label is "looking for nails at low tide", as we say in Dutch.

As for differences between this reproduction and originals, having seen Jim's photos, I'd say there are similar differences between wartime originals.

Indeed, Jim is to be commended for taking this initiative and Irfan for applying his skills while making a living.

Let's leave this debate where it is and move on to the next project: denim coveralls. Bring it on Jim & Irfan!

Hanno

[RichardT10829]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

That is perfect. Anyone wanting more than this genuine maker's label is "looking for nails at low tide", as we say in Dutch.

As for differences between this reproduction and originals, having seen Jim's photos, I'd say there are similar differences between wartime originals.

Indeed, Jim is to be commended for taking this initiative and Irfan for applying his skills while making a living.

Let's leave this debate where it is and move on to the next project: denim coveralls. Bring it on Jim & Irfan!

Hanno

Well my suit arrived today, and I have to say I am very very very happy with it indeed ! A perfect fit too. I am a typical size of your average 1940's British soldier ! 5'10" 36" chest 32" waist. I purchased a size 5 and it's spot on with my denim bottoms on underneath and a jumper.

Very warm too.

So glad I bit the bullet and got one now.

[Jordan Baker]

Good to hear Richard.

My order should be getting shipped by the end of the week. Can't wait to see them.

[Jordan Baker]

Saying reproduction on the label is fine. Stencilling it with 3" letters across the garment just to please some who never seem to be pleased is senseless.

I'd rather buy a book and learn the differences between an original and repro then see what amounts to nothing but graffiti.

[Chuck Anderson]

As Tim said, it won't take long for the collectors to identify a couple tells that differentiate the repop from the original. I don't want the 3" lettering mucking things up.