Mountings, Carriers, No. 1

[rob love]

Those are the ones made from Plutonium. Surely the regular ones can't be worth that?

[Chris Suslowicz]

"I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous reply."

They are junk - rusty, and missing the shock mountings (disintegrated) and reinforcing strips (presumably still attached to the missing remains of the shock mountings).

P.T.Barnum was right!

Chris.

[Johnny Canuck]

Wasn't sure how to respond, I'll assume the gentlemen with the opinions are not actually interested in buying anything.
If any of you sell something of questionable value I'll try to do the right thing and say nothing insulting; like my mom taught me fifty years back.
Also I think it's unobtainium not 'Plutonium' first you'd need a special licence to sell that stuff and secondly I think the stuff is sort of dangerous, no?
Maybe something constructive.............. like what a complete set in original box with shocks and plates is actually worth, then the rest of us that have no idea might be able to get an inclination of what they are actually worth.

Geoffrey Truscott aka Johnny Canuck Canada

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck

Wasn't sure how to respond, I'll assume the gentlemen with the opinions are not actually interested in buying anything.
If any of you sell something of questionable value I'll try to do the right thing and say nothing insulting; like my mom taught me fifty years back.
Also I think it's unobtainium not 'Plutonium' first you'd need a special licence to sell that stuff and secondly I think the stuff is sort of dangerous, no?
Maybe something constructive.............. like what a complete set in original box with shocks and plates is actually worth, then the rest of us that have no idea might be able to get an inclination of what they are actually worth.

Geoffrey Truscott aka Johnny Canuck Canada

Well Geoffry, if it's a listing here on MLU I won't comment on somebodies' price, no matter how exorbitant it might be. If I know the seller, I might PM him. But this was a listing on ebay, so it's kind of fair game to call it when the price appears a little greedy. I had no idea it was one of us.

What is the market price on these things? Here is a little test. I have the two in the photos below in perfect condition, C/l\ marked. Not shown in the photos are 4 of the thin strips that go with them. First person who wants them for $20 (plus actual postage of course)for their own use or collection (not so they can merely re-sell them) can have them. And that is Canadian dollars, cause I am in Canada. Not American dollars because they are 45% more.

If someone PMs me and takes them, then we'll know the price is somewhere between $20 Cdn for a perfect pair, and $200 US for the set on ebay.

I hope I don't offend you with this post Geoffrey, and believe me, I have edited it a few times before hitting the "post" button.

[rob love]

OK, so it didn't take long for someone to reply with an I'll take them. So I guess we know that a new old stock set is worth $20 (Cdn).

Now for a short rant: seems like we don't see a lot of young people in this hobby...haven't for a while. I wonder if the pricing on things has maybe got a little out of hand, and makes trying to contemplate a project as financially un-achievable.

I think I forgot to take my meds last night.

[Wayne Hingley]

Sometimes I wish there was a "like" button on this forum. Rob; you would have got 2 likes today for the posts above, and one yesterday for the "coffee table" engine!

[rob love]

Wayne:
I just showed the wife this thread with your response, then showed her the flathead engines and my coffee table proposal. She had four words for me: "Go take your meds".

[Chris Suslowicz]

Originally Posted by rob love

OK, so it didn't take long for someone to reply with an I'll take them. So I guess we know that a new old stock set is worth $20 (Cdn).

Now for a short rant: seems like we don't see a lot of young people in this hobby...haven't for a while. I wonder if the pricing on things has maybe got a little out of hand, and makes trying to contemplate a project as financially un-achievable.

I think I forgot to take my meds last night.

I think $20 (Cdn) is an eminently reasonable price - I paid £5 (GBP) each for some several years ago (with good shock absorbers fitted), and inflation hasn't been bad enough to justify a 20x price hike for a couple of effectively junk (rusty and incomplete) examples.

You may well be correct on people being priced out of the hobby.

Best Regards,

Chris.

[Johnny Canuck]

Well I guess the ones you had for sale are worth CDN$20.00
Personally I would really like it if all wireless items were less than they are.
What gets me is when someone makes assumptions, ie: greedy, reseller when one doesn't actually even know the individual, I collect WW2 Wireless items used by the Canadians in WW2, if I buy an item of better quality I will try to 'resell' the lesser item for what I paid for it, if I can make 10% great. There are a few younger local fellows that I give items to or sell at a loss, because they show an interest. So what does that make me?
So yes, some items are getting rarer and command a higher price, some items come from Europe and often cost more to ship than the item actually cost. All this adds to the cost, I'm not a government that runs everything at a loss.
One should get to know someone before making judgements about their character or intentions. Making assumptions from thin air is usually only going to cause friction.
Maybe I'll bite and see what happens, I'll change the sale to an auction and see what the WWW thinks they are worth, also note that I almost always offer 'Make an Offer' as I often really have no idea what an object is actually worth, I am always open to negotiation, keeps the riff-raff at bay and it is much easier to go down in price than up.
I was going to sand blast the carriers, clear coat them and include the 2 metal strips I dug up but that would increase the value as there would now be the added value of paint, labour and time.
Lots of the items we collect start out as 'Junk' but end up being classic pieces once finished, keep in mind that one mans junk is another mans treasure.
I also spent some of my free time displaying parts of my collection at shows in Ontario in an effort to educate the general public on our roll in WW2 and perhaps actually interest some older or younger citizens in the hobby, so please don't judge me without having some facts first.

Geoffrey

[Chris Suslowicz]

Originally Posted by rob love

Well Geoffry, if it's a listing here on MLU I won't comment on somebodies' price, no matter how exorbitant it might be. If I know the seller, I might PM him. But this was a listing on ebay, so it's kind of fair game to call it when the price appears a little greedy.

There is a long tradition of "point and laugh" at eBay prices.

Particularly things like the WS52 remote receiver that keeps appearing with a 250 GBP starting price. Eventually the seller may get tired of relisting it, but a realistic price is more like a fifth of that. (More if it has cables and PSU, of course, but the one shown does not.)

I think some traders are holding out for the arrival of the "One true sucker" who will think they're getting a bargain.

(Another long tradition is "spot the scammer" where very rare/expensive items get relisted using the description and photographs from the original eBay listing - but that game is not played for laughs, and the scammers get reported to eBay (and sometimes the police) very quickly.)
Chris.

[rob love]

Geoffry

I would really like to see what an actual auction would bring on items like these, so hope you try it. There is always that wild card that in the whole world, perhaps the second place bidder won't be around that day to propel the price up to what occasionally becomes insanity. But if there were to be two or three auctions of similar items a consensus could perhaps be reached.

I'm not against capitalism...it's what North America is founded on. But where it gets crazy is when a mint set sells for a relatively high price, and then those who are not in the know assume their lesser condition examples are worth that. So the next really good one has to go for higher etc etc. It is a reverse incipient spin to the heavens.

[Johnny Canuck]

Well let's watch the action.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/-/152001881288?

Geoff