help ID 2 trucks please

[cliff]

Sadly, the AWM photo repository does not do a really great job of identifying the vehicles in their photos and uses fairly generic terms, often not even identifying the makers. It is left to us enthusiasts to try to sort out the end game ID.

Also you can find better pics of what you are looking for under very odd search terms.

search for trucks WW2 and you get a lot but not many pics of 'New' trucks. But search under 'Lorries' WW2 and there they are. Then search under 'salvage' and yet more appear that are not in the other two searches.

So to find what I want I am always thinking up new topics to search under.