Captured British truck in German service: ID wanted

[Hanno Spoelstra]

See WW2 german AFRIKAKORPS photo Crew on lorry Wehrmacht wh showing a "Group of Afrika-Luftwaffe Sodiers on a desert-wehrmacht-lorry". This is obviously a captured British truck (possibly in Caunter scheme camouflage), but what type? It go me stumped, and I don't have my references at hand to look it up. Who can enlighten us?
Note it has a German Notek lighting system and Wehrmacht (WH) or Luftwaffe (WL) registration added, which denoted it was not a temporary ride picked up off the battlefield.

Thanks,
Hanno

[Alex van de Wetering]

I think it is a Morris Commercial, but I am not sure what type.

I believe one of the first pages of "British military Transport" by David Jane, shows a picture of a similar truck from the front, but I don't have the book here.

Alex van de Wetering

[Alex van de Wetering]

Could it be a Morris Commercial CS11/30?


Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Alex van de Wetering
I think it is a Morris Commercial, but I am not sure what type.

Hmm, it could indeed be a Morris-Commercial CS11 30-cwt 4x2 truck.

This seems to be one also, still stowed on board of SS Thistlegorm...

Source: http://www.taucher.net/redaktion/2/show.html?topic=9

[Hanno Spoelstra]

CS11/30's were used as makeshift 2-pdr Portees as well...


"A towed 2 Pounder Anti-tank Gun with wheels removed and mounted on the back of a Morris CS 11 30 Cwt 4x2 truck. The truck body has been removed and a wooden frame built to carry the legs of the gun’s ground mount. Note the variety of headdress."
Source: Anzac Steel > AUSTRALIAN ARMOUR ON CYPRUS

[Mark W. Tonner]

Hanno/Alex;

I would have to say that it is a Morris-Commercial CS11/30, open cab variant. The registration is definitely Luftwaffe (WL), those being Luftwaffe personnel in the truck rear.

A picture of a Morris-Commercial CS11/30, closed cab variant:

Hope this helps

[Bill Murray]

A Morris CS11/30 it definitely is. Look at Vanderveen's first edition of FVD page 145 which has a good shot with lots of identifiers. I also have 3/4 other shots of both open and closed cab variants that are unfortunately second or third generation copies and not suitable for posting that indicate the same ID.
Bill

[Alex van de Wetering]

Mark,

That's the picture I was looking for! Thanks for posting it here, I didn't have the oppertunity to look for the David Jane book and scan the picture.

Alex

I had the walking Morris encyclopedia here today, he says only the first picture from Hanno with the Luftwaffe crew is a CS11/30, all the rest are the military WD10/40 trucks and even Vanderveen has got this wrong since these mil types are based on the CS10/80 (10ft WB and 80cwt) not the 11/30 (11ft WB and 30cwt) although they look like it.

Simply put its a C range truck, Six cyl engine, 10ft wheel base and 2 ton (40cwt) capacity. The mil WD10/40 "version" of the 11/30 has some noticeable differences:
Chassis size and width
Bull bar position
Headlights (on bull bar not wings)
Wheelbase (10ft)
Bonnet
Scuttle
Mudguards.

R.

Originally posted by FV623
I had the walking Morris encyclopedia here today, he says only the first picture from Hanno with the Luftwaffe crew is a CS11/30, all the rest are the military WD10/40 trucks

Ah, not strictly true as Rory only saw the first two and the web site pictures of Thistlegorm, which was interesting as we never knew there were M-Cs on there.

Mark's picture is a CS11/30 - has the full civvy mudguards that join to the running-boards.

R.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I am desperate for any pix of the military versions of the circa 1936 MCC 10/80 with 10 FT 6 IN WHEELBASE 2-tonner...77 ordered in 1936 with some already working in Egypt, and CS11/30 20-cwt with provision for sand tyres..bodies as ambulances (123) and 71 as G/S lorries.

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[Larry Hayward]

David,

Are you a tied agent as far as Vintage Roadscene is concerned? Couldn't you write for Classic Military Vehicle Magazine in the UkK? They could sure use someone like you with the knowledge & expertise - and the photo resources!

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

David,

Are you a tied agent as far as Vintage Roadscene is concerned? Couldn't you write for Classic Military Vehicle Magazine in the UkK? They could sure use someone like you with the knowledge & expertise - and the photo resources!

David, I would be excommunicated! I previously wrote for HERITAGE COMMERCIALS, and they wanted me back. There are other reasons why I could not, thanks but this may become more obvious in due course.

DavidH, b. Hampton 31 August 1955, lived Feltham 1955-65 and Hounslow 1965-81, all in the County of Middlesex.

PS I have a couple of shots of a WD 1936 CS11/30 and a 193x CS11/40 going in VRS shortly...the latter is a tipper with open cab. Back then a MCC CS11/30 was about £260 per unit to the taxpayer.

[nuyt]

are these pics of any help?
http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...e+and+post+war
Nuyt