The "Z Arm" on CDN Jeeps

[rob love]

Frank
I'll have a look at my favorite scrapyard, hopefully this weekend. I have pulled a lot of them out of there, but I fear it may be reaching the end of supply. I'll let you know.

Seems to me MLU may have discussed that these were available at Niagara military surplus at one point.

[r.morrison]

Hi Rob ....you're right about the armour part. I checked what photos I could dig up here at home and on the web. One I found from Sarajevo was in reference to a Canadian Iltis, with an M60 mounted on the roll bar, gunner standing in the rear seat area. The other was from the Suez area and although it's very far away, you can see the barrel of a Bren Gun coming out from that area. Can't tell whether there's a mount or not. We'll just keep looking and try and contact a couple of local vets.
Thanks for your help thus far.....Robert

[Frank v R]

further on mounts, the CF did have the M31 and M31C mounts in the M-38cdn and the M-38A1 cdn , some of these came out of Pet. surplus and went south about 10-15 years ago, I have seen photos of these installed in Germany, now back to the side mount , cover photo of Clive's book on the M-38A1 , Queens own had a Reg. Force Battalion at that point stationed out west I believe , that would make that vehicle part of Reg. Force, opinions?

[rob love]

Sometimes vehicles would get moved around on VMOs, and the arm may have followed one through that route.

I was tasked over to couger support Sqn in Gagetown back in 1980, and in support of a res-0 course, was issued a M151A2 with the side arm. That was kind of unique since the arm should not have been on a M151A2 (metal was deemed too light) nor on a regular force Jeep.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Frank v R

further on mounts, the CF did have the M31 and M31C mounts in the M-38cdn and the M-38A1 cdn , some of these came out of Pet. surplus and went south about 10-15 years ago, I have seen photos of these installed in Germany, now back to the side mount , cover photo of Clive's book on the M-38A1 , Queens own had a Reg. Force Battalion at that point stationed out west I believe , that would make that vehicle part of Reg. Force, opinions?

Attached is the photo of the Jeep in question. The Jeep is an early 53 Cdn, so would have been disposed of no later than the time that Terry's CFTO is dated. As well, note the older 30-06 ammo can. That gun may proceed the C1 gun. Perhaps the mount is a locally fabricated mount.

Credit for the photo is from Clive's site. He has it in the Cdn3 section for some reason.

[chris vickery]

I have 53-33136 in my collection.
It has been covered elsewhere but is unusual in the fact that it is an Amercian Willys with a CDN CFR number, an early aquisition and close to the serial as shown on Robs post.
My question is, who can confirm the colour pattern as shown? It appears to me as tan over OD with maybe black at the bottom. Would love to reproduce this cam pattern on mine...

[Eric B]

Painting it in the Norwegian camouflage would make a unique vehicle.

If the M38A1's are 1953 CDN 1, they did have Bren gun mounts attached to the dash on earlier UN deployments. But these vehicles were generally UN provided vehicles, which were modified.

Thanks
Eric

[rob love]

That photos is not of a Cdn1. There are no hinges on the front grill....rather it has the later method of grill attachment at one center mounting point.

I always hated undoing that particular bolt when pulling an engine. The next worse was removing the cable that ran from the crossmember through the bellhousing.