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source: http://photos.naa.gov.au/photo/Default.aspx?id=30922297 From forum user Rod Diery source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...2&postcount=75 Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 17-04-15 at 18:44.
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many thanks for the reply. From recent findings, it seems that Mr Emelio has passed away, not sure about the date. There are hints that the crane was sold, but somehow it was envolved in an accident with powerlines in early january 2015, unknow circunstances. Coober Pedy regional times, page 4 https://cooberpedyregionaltimes.file...nuary-2015.pdf Status of this truck and the stored crane unit is unknow. Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 15-04-15 at 15:48. Reason: spelling
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Safety issues!
Can't under stand what the safety issues would be from looking at the truck. Looks safe to me!
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A little bit more info in CMP and Peters cranes...
Originally posted by Tony Smith
Mike Cecil's book on "Australian Scout and Armoured cars" mentions Peters Brothers: "By mid 1943, all the Model 8446 4x4 chassis ordered from Canada had arrived, and apart from those in use, were in storage at the Fisherman's Bend plant of GMH. They remained there until mid-1944 when at least75 were assigned to the company of Peters Brothers, located in the Sydney suburb of Redfern. Peters Brothers had been undertaking the construction of general purpose cranes for the Services based on various makes of wheeled tractors, such as the International W-9. Peters Brothers built at least 75 cranes based on this chassis, these being assigned Commonwealth registration numbers 144311 to 144322, 144373 to 144421 and 144722 to 144735." Source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=102 A truck crane conversion, using crane from an International W-9 crane tractor. From user Brett Nichols source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...98&postcount=7 source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...63&postcount=3 source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=102 source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=102 Some more bits of info: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...28&postcount=9 Other conversion: Source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=112 Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 16-04-15 at 21:04. Reason: spelling
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 source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/125221/ A few old photos: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...36&postcount=3 From user Tony Smith source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=104 http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...27&postcount=8 Some more information: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...9&postcount=14 http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...9&postcount=15 http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...3&postcount=16 source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=106 More on this crane from internet archive as the pics dont exist on the original page: http://web.archive.org/web/200708060...gtwodonga.html Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 16-04-15 at 21:07.
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International Peters crane tractor
 source: http://www.justauto.com.au/justheavy...ANE-JHW3629750 From user "Brian", at the "The Fordson Tractor Forum"    source: http://www.fordsontractorpages.nl/ph...p=44283#p44269 Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 16-04-15 at 21:10.
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From user Tony Smith
source: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9141 I think that this is another example of a crane conversion, using a the crane part of a tractor crane and a surplus military truck. The crane base frame parts looks to be like this one. The horizontal cross members the the frame look similar. Note that it seems to be a hydraulic hose running in the center of the frame, as the rear tractor pto was used to operate an hydraulic pump. Interestingly, if it looks that the hydraulic pump could be connected to the truck winch pto, and located in the same place. Is it possible that the larger heavier cranes had a similar arrangement adaptation, but with a direct driveshaft to the crane winch?  https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/064714/  source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/064715/  source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/064716/  source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/064717/  Source: http://museumvictoria.com.au/collect...ralia-sep-1942 more Peters Bros G-Well crane...  http://www.hcvc.com.au/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1359958810 from New South Wales State Library  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...?itemID=239683 Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 16-04-15 at 21:16.
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16-04-15, 02:31
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RAAF type crane
Here are some great photos of one of these cranes, already in civil life, mounted in a White truck, in 1949.
The photos are from the New South Wales State Library. They had a fantastic image archive, and the photos are free for personal use. http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...=122959&query=  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36580  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36583  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36584  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36585  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36587  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36588  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36589  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...i?itemID=36591  http://www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/...?itemID=131851 Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 16-04-15 at 21:21.
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The cargo bed on the White appears to be an early all steel standard GS body as used on GMC CC(K)W 353 which is possibly an indication of the crane's origin.
The tailgate is a local fabrication. David
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16-04-15, 04:07
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Well spotted! Thanks! That will be of great use when translating the pics to drawing plans! G_Mendes
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16-04-15, 09:59
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Hello Goncalo,
You are doing a great bit of research here! But would you please be so kind to attach the pictures to your postings? This is part of our policy as you can be sure the links to the pictures will disappear one day, sooner rather than later, and then all your research will have been fruitless. Thanks in advance! Hanno MLU Administrator & Moderator
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Ok, I will try to do that this weekend. G_Mendes
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spotted this one recently in Parkes NSW
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17-04-15, 18:22
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Some more at the Australian War Memorial
 source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/MELJ1511/  source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/MELJ0972/  source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/122472/  source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/127230/ Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 17-04-15 at 18:47. Reason: image upload
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17-04-15, 22:38
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A few more: from flickr, maybe someone konows their whereabouts and actual status?
The album name is "Tractors at Col Kliens sale", from Flickr member "Robert Elgindale". https://www.flickr.com/photos/20960256@N04/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/209602...9394780/page2/  Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/209602...57625429394780  source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/209602...57625429394780 The first one (as some other in that album) looks to be the one thats was for sale sale at the "Heads Up: Pittsworth QLD clearing sale" post, looks like it had some parts restored and repainted. http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=22076 Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 17-04-15 at 23:14.
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18-04-15, 01:53
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One of the big recovery cranes, based in a GMC truck surviving at least in June 2013...
From Flickr album, "Military Relics", by sandy1618 "Geoff Green" source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sandy1...n/photostream/  source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sandy1...57634074410403  source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sandy1...57634074410403  source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sandy1...57634074410403  source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sandy1...57634074410403 One note, it seems that this crane frame has a oval plaque with the "Fowler" inscribed. On other truck photos with the other side of the frame visible, the same area there are only two rectangular plaques. It could be that this as had a civil origin (doubtfully) and had the standard manufacturers plaque, and others were from military origin and only had military ID plaques, could bee a later "add on" by some previous owner, (if only as a ornament, why to put one of a different manufacturer? or maybe he had no knowledge of it) or there is the real possibility that on one side of the frame there is the standard manufactures name plaque and on the other the manufacturers data plates. In the rare photos that show this side, on the place that this one has the name plaque, I could see a hint of a blurr, pointing to this possibility (maybe on this case, as it was a military order?). Anyone knows if old Fowler cranes usually have a name plaque on both sides of the crane frames, or they have the name plaque in one side (left? right?), and data plates in the other side of the crane frames? On some pictures of Fowler cranes we can see that they seem to have name plates on both sides of the frames. At first I tought that they were probably made by "Peter Bros Pty", as the front crane frame share many of the caracteristics of their hydraulic G-Well crane, that was adapted for CMP trucks too, so a larger version was perfectly possible. The Fowler possibility wasn't considered, as their cranes of this era, tractor based, as despite also using a cable and winch system (later models would use hydraulics too), they had a strong design resemblance to the Rapier mobile cranes, nothing related to this crane in question, (despite the many truck conversions, more or less "homemade" that I believe to have been made later on, and not original machines). However, having seen the plaque on this last one, I think it is a real possibility that they were the manufacturers, possibly as a result of fullfiling a military order (using a frame design developed by other manufacturer, and a boom design resembling a railroad or navy type crane) The photographer must be comended for taking these! they are priceless! Maybe someone takes it for restoration or for a museum! If anyone knows where it currently rests (and perhaps a clue on future destiny), a few more photos would be very welcome! Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 16-10-19 at 16:34. Reason: spelling
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Another start of an interesting project
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Makeshift mudguards, but otherwise looking quite restorable. H.
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31-08-15, 02:48
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Belfield collection
John is currently downsizing his yard stock (the outside stuff). If interested in anything now would be a good time to follow it up.
David
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This type of crane seems to be of a style unique to Australia. I haven't seen anything like this in Europe in WW2
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Some more, one already seen, other new, found in the Historic Australian Aircraft facebook page.
source:https://www.facebook.com/HistoricAustralianAircraft/ https://www.facebook.com/HistoricAus...17820621633957 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1715791&type=3 Just for research purposes, no copywright violation intended. All image rights to David Soderstrom ! Last edited by Goncalo Mendes; 07-04-16 at 01:00. Reason: image upload
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Another Unnamed RAAF Crane
Hello All,
I found another unnamed manufacturer of the crane and a similarly unidentified truck raising a Kittyhawk Fighter Plane. The Australian War Memorial describe the scene as: ID number MEA0386 Collection type Photograph Object type Black & white - Film original negative 120 nitrate Maker Le Guay, Laurence Craddock Date made 1943 Description Sicily, Italy. 1943. Personnel of No. 3 (Kittyhawk) Squadron RAAF, with members of the Repair and Salvage Unit who supplied a crane on the back of a truck to adjust an engine in an aircraft. No. 3 Squadron maintained the servicing of aircraft. Accessed April 9th 2016 from, https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/MEA0386 What breed of crane and truck are they? Is it something like a Scammell? Kind Regards Lionel
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Hi Lionel,
It is Coles EMA Mk.VII crane (petrol-electric) on Thornycroft Amazon WF/AC6 SWB chassis.  Cheers! Last edited by Ilian Filipov; 09-04-16 at 11:51.
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Thank you for such a definitive reply and from such a long way away from Australia. How are things going in Bulgaria? The Thornycroft certainly looked like it was a robust machine. Kind Regards Lionel
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