Chevrolet CMP Engine variants

[BSM]

G'day once again Phil and many thanks for the wordy response including the pics. As you say....a Chev is a Chev is a Chev etc. All very interesting and now one has to weigh up just how much of a purist one needs to be on such a project. As there is a need to get some benefit back from the time and dollars put in, the post War engine seems to fit the short term bill! I was hoping to have the tractor towing the Bofors in a major Anzac Day parade last April but the ongoing mechanical problems with the motor prevented that from happening. Also there is only so much time you can put into volunteer pursuits etc. apart from one's personal interest in the subject.
Yes I would also appreciate a couple of pics from your site if you get the time to put them up or alternatively you could PM me a few higher res images.
Strangely enough I found the makeshift arrangement which is a modified original linkage and I will include a pic with a temporary install. Not bad for a quick fix but certainly not as mechanically sound as the two variants that you have produced but a simple stop gap until a more professional result can be fabricated. Something else I just picked up on and that is the absence of the 1/4inch post for the 2 linkage springs under the manifold. This is being made at the moment using the one attached to the discarded engine as a pattern. Also including an early restoration pic of the Tractor when it was powered by the post war car engine at a display for our local branch of the Dept. of Veteran Affairs etc. which will give you a better idea of the project. It has been taken back to chassis and rebuilt. Nearing completion at this time. Thanks and regards.... Rod

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

To try and help Rod and other people around the problem of the original front linkage not fitting the later style 216 (two hole) water pump either on a later 216 replacement engine or on 235-261 engine swap. I have loaded a whole bunch of pictures and some notes to my web page along with some notes that I hope to expand on. http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/T...age%20Page.htm

I took the route of fabricating completely new front cross over front crossover linkage and bracket instead of modifying the original. This preserves the original part and probably took about the same amount of time. Both of these linkage have been on the trucks and working for a number of years. Please note that the page is broken into Patter 12 and Pattern 13 versions.

Sorry for not posting it all on MLU but until I get it edited down it just too much stuff and too large of photos to fit on MLU.

Hope you find the pictures of some use. I'm going to go back and number the photos so once that is done please ask questions and I will try to provide more detailed information.

Cheers Phil

[Jordan Baker]

Tonight I pressed off the early one hole water pump flange and then put it on my two hole water pump shaft. This way I can fit the original larger wartime pulley on the two hole water pump fitting the engine I'm going to be using. However I find that doing this has made no room at all for fitting the throttle linkage. I've read that if I use the smaller pulley I will overspeed the water pump causing cavitation and or possible fan failure.

Any suggestions?

Or can I just put the smaller pulley that came with the two hole pump back on and use the 6 blade fan? But if I do that do I need to also change out the pulley on the generator?

[Bob Carriere]

It is important to note that the part that bolts in to the head, and accepts the Thermostat is special on CMP....... their is a very visible flat surface in the elbow directly above the fan pulley...... after war civvy parts DO NOT have the special indentation and you loose over 1/4 inch of much needed clearance.

I adapted a 1959 Chev 261 using the proverbial "adapter plate" and did have to modify the linkage that fits below the next and above the pulley. I will scrounge my pictures to find some illustration..... and similar to Phil I am referring to a cab 11...... and I have traded many cab parts between cab 11 and 12 and they all fit.

Stay tuned photos will follow.

Cheers

[Grant Bowker]

Is there enough space between the pump housing, thermostat housing and pulley for the throttle rod? If so, would it be possible to create a different shaped support frame for the throttle rod that would support it within the (tight) available space. When I made an adapter plate to allow the one hole water pump on a 261, I don't remember having to make a special throttle linkage. Maybe I should have taken more/better pictures to help my memory. I will try to find any pictures I might have although you are trying to solve a different combination than I was.

[Jordan Baker]

Thanks guys.

I'd ultimately like to use the one hole 216 water pump as it gives all the room that is needed. However as I posted in the other tread I'd need to do some serious surgery to the engine block and make up an adaptor plate.

Bob, I believe I've got the correct elbow with the flat spot.

I'm just confused by all the swaping around of pumps and pulleys.

[Bob Carriere]

If you use the harmonic balancer of the 216 ( it while fit the 235) and keep the 216 water pump pulley than you have the same speed.....however, I used an alternator ( sorry I sinned) so I had to change the pulley on the alternator to match the 5/8 belts requirements of the rest.

Note some 216 had large 7/8 pulleys.

what ever you do do not remove metal from the block..... I would be concerned with creating a weak area even if the later 261 had a huge hole to allow the pump to sit inside the block.

Let me follow with some basic photos.

First just to clear up the cab 13 versus cab 11/12

The first picture shows a cab 13 set up..... the rod is shorter and is connected to another straight rod that goes to the gas pedal.


PS...... just noticed that the second and third picture show evidence that the throttle shaft was grinded above the pulley to gain clearance...... shinny area.

*****(The second set of grey engine set up shows a cab 11/12 longer arm set up.) **** WRONG it show same cab 13 set up.
There is a flat stock piece of steel that fits behind the rod.......

I will follow up with my modified set up to gain clearance.

[Jordan Baker]

Bob, in your last picture is the throttle rod ground down to provide clearance?

[Bob Carriere]

First the original set up on my cab which was equipped with a GMC 228 engine BUT I have verified with other cab 11/12 and the set up was near original.