Shootings

[motto (RIP)]

Aah, it all makes sense now. Some of them donuts would be capable of stopping a .308 if a bit stale. And meanwhile you could shoot back through the hole. I see the attraction.
Just trying to inject a little levity into the discussion guyvapeur. Good to have somebody with experience and inside knowledge contributing as most of us are on the 'receiving end' of law enforcement and sometimes that can be unpleasant
I'm smart enough to realise we would be in dire trouble without you guys. All I ask is to be spoken to in a civil manner.

David

[maple_leaf_eh]

Sticking to the theme of armoured vehicles, I mentioned seeing a Montreal police Cadillac Gage 4-wheel armoured car used in a successfully resolved barricade call. I may have been one belonging to the Quebec Provincial Police. It might have been requested on some sort of mutual aid agreement. As mentioned, Montreal has an armoured truck(s) based on a heavy short wheelbase chassis, and the Surete have the armoured car(s).

http://policecanada.ca/

Knowing guyvapeur has policing experience, I don't want to mow his grass, but for the purposes of the discussion. The RCMP have emergency teams positioned across the country, with a national team centrally located in Ottawa. Each team has various alert postures, manning and scales of equipment. From everything I have seen there are comparatively few police armoured vehicles in Canada. When required, the RCMP have requested military AVGP or LAVIII vehicles and drivers. An example of that was for a particularly protracted standoff in BC when AVGPs were used to ferry sniper dets and overwatch teams through exposed ground.

[rob love]

Terry: The RCMP have recently corrected that situation of having to borrow armoured vehicles and now have a small fleet of Tactical Armoured Vehicles (TAVs). The 18 TAVS cost the force about 14 million.
Info on it can be found here:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/fs-fd/tav-vbt-eng.htm

[Marc Montgomery]

Notice in that link they use the correct terminology ERT and not SWAT (american)
However I note they use imperial measure (1,000 lbs) and not metric..???

[rob love]

They could say it in metric, but who in hell would know how much that would be? I know what 1000 pounds is, but would have no idea what 453.59 kg would represent.

[Marc Montgomery]

Canada has been metric for 44 years. Maybe the Canadian contract called for complement of officers and a 450kg of payload and the Americans rather than understand 992lb 1.2 oz...decided to round it up to 1000lbs?

actually, I was always kinda confused by American quarts and gallons etc..so much smaller than the correct (Commonwealth) imperial.

and you were completely familiar with short tons and long tons right?

and of course you know off the top of your head what lb means right?

Base 10 vs base 12? no..metric makes a heck of lot of sense to me

[rob love]

According to another RCMP article, the trucks were built by Navistar Defense Canada, so not really sure why they list pounds, except that is what people understand.

I had the metric training back in grade 8, and the teachers extolled all the virtues of the system. So why am I still having to convert kmh to mph. And why do we understand mpg rather than lp100km for consumption?

Since highway speeds are generally around 60mph, and there are 60 minutes in an hour, it makes it easy to figure out how long until we get there.