Humber FV1600

[Ron King]

The kid hanging out the back is a fellow you may know called Bruce Mc XXXX
There is a lot of early AMVCS footage going around the place now.
That Humber fording the flooded river is the one also shown I think in the first page of this thread with Bruce and his sister hanging out of It.( I took the pic with a box brownie camera AMVCS winter rallie ...1978)

That Humber was saved and restored by my father.
It had cancer in the battery box and normal places and required a bit of TLC to bring it back to life.
My father sold it on to Bruces father as he found a dodge M37 to restore.
The M37 is still kicking around and kicked off Bruces interest in them.
The Stalwart is coming along very slowly as I have plenty of other things going on.
The stalwart story has a large following on this thread.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/101-forwar...timate-fc.html
Some more pics of the same crossing.....check out the champ with snorkell




Regards Ron

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Shame the pics are a bit on the faded side Ron, thats a pretty good cross section of vehicles to have on a run though.
Wise move to have the snorkel up on the Champ, in the down position it sucks up the bow wave on anything above shallow. Which means an engine and fuel tank full of water. Talk about learning the hard way.....
You have probably seen this clip, Stalwart vs Humber, makes it clear why only one of them was regarded as High Mobility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5m4T7gM1I
Rich.

[fv1620]

If I read it correctly it looks like 16 BK 39 sold off in 1964 for £140. It must have been a good one because it sold for double what most of them were going for at the time.

Not seen it in recent years, so perhaps its not a survivor.

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Couple of Humber questions that I need some help with.
1/ Bottom Pic.
There are two hinged brackets that sit on the lower section of the storage rack (Part no. FV228911) that do not appear in the parts cat., drivers manual or mechanical manuals. They have had a strap riveted to them, now rotted off. The parts book mentions 2 straps 17 1/4in. long for this area. I have always assumed that this strap was used in conjunction with the mystery brackets to either hold down the canvas frame tubes, or for storage of the canvas cover itself. However, the length of the straps would appear to be too short, and the absence of the bracket in the parts book makes me wonder if this part has not been nicked from something else, and I am being led down the garden path. Does anyone know any better?

2/ The seat cushion shown in the parts book pic, (numbered 14,15) has a wooden base that sits over the locker lid, held in place at the rear end with two winged bolts. There are two flat staple brackets between the front and rear locker covers, are these used as a mounting device for the front end of the seat? Has anyone actually seen this setup? I did see the remains of a rotted out seat years ago, but I considered it was in too poor a state at the time to bother taking a photo of. Fool!

Any help gratefully received.
Rich.

[fv1620]

Richard greetings, I want to help but I'm having difficulty orientating myself to the lower picture, have you got a wider shot to show a bit more please? Bear in mind my GS has long since rotted away & having difficulty getting a feel to the problem.

Have I understood you correctly that you have a part marked FV228911 but it is not in the parts book or is it the hinged brackets that sit on FV228911?

I can't find FV228911 in the 1952 or 1960 editions nor in the copious amendments that were regularly issued for both. Although the 1952 edition is nothing like comprehensive & is not illustrated.

But I wonder whether the shortfall is that the trucks were originally designated CT & as economies were forced on the production certain unspecified features were done away with & they were then classed as GS.

Very early circuit diagrams show turn lights (of a type later used on the FV1609) as you know turn lights you see on Humbers are after service mods. So I wonder if the things you are having difficulty with are related to the CT to GS downgrade?

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Hi Clive,
You're right, I could have described the situation a little better. Hoop and part in question have just been stripped and painted, too sticky for a new pic, hopefully I have been able to enlarge the previous image.
This bracket is part hinge, and folds down 90 deg. (to the rear). There is another in the same location on the drivers side of the hoop). On disassembly, after posting yesterday, I realised that the webbing strap remains were doubled over when riveted, giving two ends. This would then make it possible to pass one end up and over the stowed sections, and back to a buckle on the other end.
So I think I know how it worked, but still do not know if the bracket is original, an Aussy mod, or something else. I do know that if you don't secure the stowed tubes they do tend to disappear on rough roads.....
My manual/catalogue images show a much simpler arrangement of the front hoop itself, as can be seen in the pic I used for the seat query.

On another note, 7 years ago you showed a copy of the Commer Manual, found my own copy last month! Few differences I noted, including the snorkel arrangement.
Regards
Rich.

[fv1620]

Afraid I can't come up with anything Rich. Just wondered if there was a Mod that would cover the area. Most of the EMER Mods relate to Pigs & the earlier GS Mods No.1 -31 were cancelled & destroyed. However after many years of searching I found just an index for these that escaped destruction. Unfortunately none of them cover what you are after, unless there was a E&MEI (AUS)?

Well done on the Commer manual, the imprint suggests to me there were only 250 printed. Where are the 248 copies?