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[Mike Cecil]

Tony,

Your possible use of the 2nd Australian Infantry Division formation sign for your CMP throws up some interesting possibilities. The formation sign was first included in the approved list at the end of March 1942, but no individual spec was given for its layout (ie background and insignia colours).

In September 1942, the spec was quite specific, viz 'Signs will be painted in BLACK and WHITE in a Sand coloured background, embodied in disruptive painting scheme' (quoted as original with emphasis as original). This was the instruction specific to 2 Aust Inf Div, issued by 2 Aust Inf Div headquarters.

However, in April 1943, 2nd Aust Inf Div was simply included in the AHQ overall list without a specific specification, with all formation signs listed as being White insignia on a black background. Later the same year (August), the formation sign was again listed in the overall list, but no spec was given.

This has led to a series of interpretations of what the penguin over a boomerang should look like, including the black/white on green background shown in your image. None of the instructions actually say 'on a green background' - but the original instruction does say 'embodied in the disruptive painting scheme' (albeit the sand coloured part).

Once the Light Sand/stone colour was discontinued, and replaced by Light Earth (from mid-1942), then it is reasonable to assume that, in general, the formation sign was placed over a Light Earth background - and that is what appears to be the case in your carrier image.

Equally, some have interpreted the later instructions as being a black/white image over a BLACK background - the Penguin edges are detailed in a thin white line, and the boomerang is white, not black. This does, however, indicate a level of intricacy that the instructions specifically try and avoid by stating that the designs must be simple and easy to apply with a stencil.

So, what do you do if the truck is not going to be disruptively camouflaged? Well, that's an interesting question. Try finding some pics of 2 Div vehicles without camo and see how they interpreted the instructions!

Nice pic of an SAR-manufactured carrier, by the way.

Mike C

[Ganmain Tony]

Wonderful stuff fellows

Knew I could rely on you!!!

Terrific pictures Richard.... really makes sense how that apron should be laid out and a good supporting one from Alex.

Can now get on with making the shroud get into something of its orginal shape.

I agree Keith, I still reckon there's got to be another plate attached to the apron.

Interesting to hear that it's listed as a Cab 13 part as well Keefy..

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Ganmain Tony

Wonderful stuff fellows

Knew I could rely on you!!!

Terrific pictures Richard.... ..

Cheers Tony,
You should thank Steve for the photos, I am sure you can see it all now.
regards,
Richard

[Ganmain Tony]

My apologies to Steve and please pass on my thanks to him as well.

[Ganmain Tony]

Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

Tony,
Equally, some have interpreted the later instructions as being a black/white image over a BLACK background - the Penguin edges are detailed in a thin white line, and the boomerang is white, not black. This does, however, indicate a level of intricacy that the instructions specifically try and avoid by stating that the designs must be simple and easy to apply with a stencil.
Mike C

Like this version Mike?

[Mike Cecil]

yes, Tony, that's the version I was referring to.

Mike C

[Ganmain Tony]

I realise this is not an engineering marvel, but I am happy with the result.

Did the copy of Max's TAC sign. Welding was not done by me as I do not own a welder.

Bob Hart one the maintenance blokes at Grain Corp was luckily out at our Coolamon site and more than happy to run a bead to attach the centre 'tail' to the plate.

All the bending, cutting, shaping and filing done by yours truly.

[Alex van de Wetering]

That looks really nice, Tony!. Good job

Now which one are you returning to Max?

[Tony Wheeler]

Here's an interesting background - woodgrain!

THE FORMATION SIGN OF 2ND DIVISION AIF, DURING THE 1939-45 WAR. THE SIGN WAS REPRODUCED IN WHITE ON A BLACK SQUARE. THE PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THE SIGN REPRODUCED ON A PIECE OF FURNITURE IN THE POSSESSION OF THE DIVISIONAL COMMANDER AND WAS TAKEN AFTER THE WAR TO SHOW HOW THE SIGN HAD BEEN RENDERED.

[Tony Wheeler]

I notice the AWM have an original 2nd Div vehicle:

"This vehicle was used by the Australian Army during the Second World War. It served at least part of its career with the Second Australian Infantry Division and in Western Command."

Penguin is on yellow background here.