Who Can Id this truck?

[r.morrison]

Clive, as the elephant said to the mouse, "Dis yo' lucky day". Had a nice chat withe the seller tonight and he HAS the original negative. Actually, he said he might have some better negatives of the truck. I've asked him to stay in touch with the other photos. He also has a whack of negatives from the Irish Regiment that you might be interested in, along with a lot of other little interesting tidbits. Probably a guy you should stay in touch with. I'll PM you his email address and you can take it from there. Good luck.....Robert PS: Nice one BooBee.

[servicepub (RIP)]

Bob and Robert (sounds redundant), Thanks to both of you. I have sent the vendor an e-mail asking about this, and other, photos.

Cheers,
Clive

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bob

When I posted the picture in the post of this thread I did it as a link to the e-bay site. Now that you own it should I post it as a direct image so it stays in the MLU archive?

You got to love the internet just when you think you won't find something new stuff like this shows up.

Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

When I posted the picture in the post of this thread I did it as a link to the e-bay site. Now that you own it should I post it as a direct image so it stays in the MLU archive?

Phil,

You know my preference! ;-)

Hanno

[servicepub (RIP)]

The first comment to be made in regards to the photo is that the 15cwt is NOT a pilot or prototype but an actual production model. The short article below may provide some clarification.

Pre-war Chevrolet 15cwt in the Canadian Army

My research has uncovered the following information on the first purchases of the Chev 15cwt. The data is culled from surveys of vehicles, by Military District, which include the census number and the vehicle description.
In the future I hope to compile data on the early Fords also.

As of February 5, 1940, DND reported holdings of 62, 15cwt trucks, of various bodies. This total included two Pilot models.

It should be noted that only MGO (Master General of the Ordnance) vehicles were subject to the survey. Vehicles operated by the Royal Canadian Army Service Corps are not included.

The vehicles, although numbered in the 1938 year were delivered in 1939. The disparity in the numbering may be due to the fact that the contract was let in Fiscal Year 1938-39, which ended on March 31, 1939. With the late date of the contract the numbers were still allotted to the 1938 ‘year’ but deliveries were made throughout 1939.

It is my belief that the numbering started with 1938-1-2-and ended with 1938-1-52, resulting in 51 vehicles. This fits with the order of 51 total 15cwt vehicles which, originally, were to be split between Chevrolet and Ford. Ford declined to deliver any vehicles so the entire contract was let to Chevrolet with the understanding that the next order of 50 vehicles would be directed to Ford only.

The breakdown of these is;

Census No. --- Holding Unit --- Description
38-1-14 --- Cdn Armd Fighting Veh Trg Ctre --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-15 --- Cdn Armd Fighting Veh Trg Ctre --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-17 --- Cdn Armd Fighting Veh Trg Ctre --- Chevrolet GS Body

38-1-31 --- Royal Canadian Dragoons --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-9 --- Royal Canadian Dragoons --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-12 --- Royal Canadian Dragoons --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-3 --- Royal Canadian Dragoons --- Chevrolet GS Body

38-1-14 --- RCA Depot, Kingston --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-15 --- RCA Depot, Kingston --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-16 --- RCA Depot, Kingston --- Chevrolet GS Body
38-1-17 --- RCA Depot, Kingston --- Chevrolet GS Body

38-1-27 --- ‘A’ Sqdn, RCD --- GM GS Body

38-1-2 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body
38-1-4 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body
38-1-10 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body
38-1-11 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body
38-1-28 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body
38-1-29 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body
38-1-30 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body

38-1-36 --- 1st Fld Coy, RCE, Halifax --- Chevrolet 15cwt Box Body

38-1-35 --- 8th Med Bty, RCA, Charlottetown --- Chevrolet

38-1-37 --- 2nd Med Bty, RCA, Charlottetown --- Chevrolet

38-1-23 --- 4th AA Bty, RCA, Halifax --- Chevrolet
38-1-25 --- 4th AA Bty, RCA, Halifax --- Chevrolet

38-1-38 --- PPCLI Depot School --- GMC Chevrolet
38-1-39 --- PPCLI Depot School --- GMC Chevrolet
38-1-41 --- PPCLI Depot School --- GMC Chevrolet
38-1-42 --- PPCLI Depot School --- GMC Chevrolet
38-1-43 --- PPCLI Depot School --- GMC Chevrolet
38-1-44 --- PPCLI Depot School --- GMC Chevrolet

38-1-40 --- LdSH (RC) --- Chevrolet GMC

38-1-45 --- Seaforth Highlanders of Canada --- GMC GS Box Body
38-1-46 --- Seaforth Highlanders of Canada --- GMC GS Box Body
38-1-47 --- Seaforth Highlanders of Canada --- GMC GS Box Body
38-1-48 --- Seaforth Highlanders of Canada --- GMC GS Box Body

38-1-49 --- LdSH (RC) (Rec’d 28 Dec 1939) --- GMC
38-1-50 --- LdSH (RC) (Rec’d 28 Dec 1939) --- GMC
38-1-51 --- LdSH (RC) (Rec’d 28 Dec 1939) --- GMC
38-1-52 --- LdSH (RC) (Rec’d 28 Dec 1939) --- GMC


Thanks to Robert, who put me in touch with the vendor of the photo at the top of this thread, I managed to buy another photo of this vehicle.

[Bob Carriere]

I only bought the picture so that it would not be lost somewhere.

And yes it can be posted on MLU...I lay no claim of ownership.... to me it is precious Canadian MV history to be shared with everyone in the hobby.

The number on the box looks like 38-1-10 to my failing eye sight......

Which reminds me, I still have not received my photo in the mail yet...... unless my request to mail to my home address got overlooked and it is sitting at the UPS store in Northern NY... such is life.

Comments on the truck..... I am always amazed at the boxy backyard mechanic design of the cab ....... so butt ugly it's gone full circle to being cute ....

I wonder what happend to the one sitting for sale at Reynolds out West.... I would just love to restore one of those babies.

Bob C.

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by servicepub

The first comment to be made in regards to the photo is that the 15cwt is NOT a pilot or prototype but an actual production model. The short article below may provide some clarification. . .

The breakdown of these is;

Census No. --- Holding Unit --- Description
38-1-10 --- MD 4 (“probably at Inf Trg Ctre”) --- Chevrolet 15cwt Body

Clive;

Odd that 38-1-10 is shown as held by MD 4, when the vehicle is clearly marked, as belonging to ‘B’ Coy RCR, which in 1939 was stationed at Stanley Barracks, Toronto, in MD 2.

Cheers

[servicepub (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Mark W. Tonner

Clive;

Odd that 38-1-10 is shown as held by MD 4, when the vehicle is clearly marked, as belonging to ‘B’ Coy RCR, which in 1939 was stationed at Stanley Barracks, Toronto, in MD 2.

Cheers

The vehicle surveys were taken in October '39 and Feb '40. As the truck is plated 1938 so it was probably in MD 2 then.
C