HUP project started at last

[Jonathan Moore]

Hi All,

Well after some considerable time i am ready to start rebuilding my CMP HUP. I had a couple of other projects to finish first, a VW Kubelwagen and a DKWSB200 motor bike, both of which are now complete. So its on with the HUP.

Just to recap. I bought the vehicle some months ago, the chassis had been lengthened by about 18" and a radio body welded to the back. I put some pictures on this site and the consensus of opinion was that originally the vehicle had been a HUP. I ve removed the radio body and the old girl is now in the dry. The first job was to remove the fabricated back to the cab and see what was left of the original body work. Ive attached some pictures, one of which is the pillar behind the front doors, it shows signs of having a set of hinges attached. This is apparent on both sides of the body.

My next job is to shorten the chassis but more importantly, i need to start planning to build the floor structure. Ive collected lots of pictures from the net so i know what it looks like but what i really need, are dimensions, from strut to strut, corner radii and anything else. So if there is anyone who has this information or can tell me where i can get it i would be very grateful.

Regards,

Jonathan

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[Jonathan Moore]

I thought after i had posted it that i had better put a picture of the floor structure so that you all know what i am talking about. Thanks in advance and ill try and keep you all posted as i go along.

Reagrds,

Jonathan

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[Phil Waterman]

Hi Jonathan

If you need more pictures or higher resolution for more detail let me know and I'll post them.

Cheers Phil

[Jonathan Moore]

Phil,

Thanks for the reply. If you have got any high resolution pictures of the base structure or any other aspects of the vehicle then they would be more than welcome. If you want me to pay for the postage etc then just let me know.

Regards and thanks,

Jonathan

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Jonathan

Do you have high speed internet if so I'll just post them on a new page in my web site and send the link?

Probably have 50 or so picture all 2048x1536 pixels file size each 1.5MB
so only really help on high speed.

Cheers Phil

[Jonathan Moore]

Phil,

Give it a go please. In theory we have a high speed link but this is the UK.

Regards,

Jonathan

[Phil Waterman]

Hi

I'll set up a page and start uploading the pictures, once it is up I post the URL.

Cheers Phil

[Jonathan Moore]

Hi All,

The weather here in the UK has been snowy and generally rubbish so ive been using it as an excuse to hibernate down the workshop and avoid doing all the jobs that i should be doing. Well ive been motoring along. The chassis that had been lengthened by 18" has been cut and rejoined, the front drive shaft has been shortened and a new drive shaft, that goes between the gearbox and the transfer box has been constructed.

The roof of the cab had been fabricated from bits of steel box section and wood, so that had to go. Actually when i measured it the cab was 3" wider at the top than it was at the bottom. When i removed the floor panels the reason was obvious, all the cross struts under the cab floor had been removed and of course there was no longer the rear bulkhead to keep it all square. I have cut out what remained of the strange shaped cross strut at the rear of the cab, fabricated a new one and welded it in. A new bulk head has been fabricated and that too is now in place.

My thoughts now have turned to the windscreen outer frame, this again had been replaced but was far from the original in both design and size. So here is one of many questions. The outer windscreen frame is a seperate unit from the rest of the front bulk head. The fabricated outer frame that i removed, was bolted in place via the two top door hinge bolts. There is no evidence that one had ever been welded on to the top of the bulkhead on either of the sides or the middle. So is this frame ment to be a seperate unit? Ive attached a picture of the rectangular holes that the outer sections go into.

Could i ask someone to check a dimension for me if thats possible. I need to know what the dimension is from the cab floor to the top of the pillar behind the drivers door, to where the roof would sit. I dont know if mine has been messed with and i would hate to finish things and find out that the roof was 1" lower than it should be. Has anyone got details of the windscreen opening bosses, the ones that are attached to the outer frame two on the middle pillar and one on each outer post. And
Lastly if anyone could add some dimensions to my sketch i would be really gratefull.

Regards,

Jonathan

[Jonathan Moore]

Hi,

Sorry i didnt realise that there was a limit on the number of pictures per post, so here are the others.

Regards,

Jonathan

[hrpearce]

Yes the windscreen frame does bolt in with the door hinges and two small bolts in the centre.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Jonathan,

I don't have a HUP to help out with the measurements, but I'm sure you will find the help you need here. I can tell you the windscreen frame is detachable and the same as on other Chevrolet CMPs (quite possibly Ford too). It might be worth looking for CMP body parts as a man with your skills would be able to turn a couple of cab doors into a HUP body door?!? You can use the double curvature back section of a regular CMP Cab 13 roof as the rear roof section on your HUP body.

I must commend you for taking up this challenge. Quite a few HUP bodies were cut down and reconstructed later, but to date I have not seen a project which also includes reversal of a chassis extension plus engine transplant.

Hanno

[Jonathan Moore]

Hanno,

I have to admit that it is quite a challenge but i shall enjoy it. I need dimensions but i suppose that if i can find someone in the Uk with one that i can measure it will be easier. Are there any good books specifically on CMP's out there? i have looked for but cant find any, the ones i have found only give a passing reference, not detailed information. Spares, well in the UK there dosn't seem to be any, or at least not on the net. If there is anyone out there with two front seats or anything else that might be of use, please contact me.

Regards,

Jonathan

[Jonathan Moore]

The weather in Wales Uk is rain, rain and wind so more time for me in the workshop. I had to go and find some steel channel to remake the floor struts in the cab, so as the next day was Sunday and i was off to a militaria show i decided to have a look at the drivers side floorpanel, that holds the excelerator pedal. As you can see by the pictures, who ever tried to weld a repair patch in didnt, have much success. As for the pedal, well that had been repaired by welding a standard hinge to it.

The plate was easy to repair, I just cut it back until I came to good metal and welded a patch in. After a little grinding and fiddling about, it was looking good.

The pedal on the other hand was a tad more complex. I had thought of making a complete new one but I have decide to, where possible, use what is left of the existing vehicle. I havn't got a complete unit and I dont exactly know how it should look but from what was left of the knackered end of the old one I had a few clues. So a bit of welding, a bit of grinding, a bit of drilling and I turned a new pivot pin and there you have it. I think it looks quite good. All i need to do is shotblast it and give it a coat of paint.

The next job is to replace the floor struts that have been cut out. But thats tomorrows job.

[Jonathan Moore]

Hi all,

its been sometime since I've posted a progress report on the HUP and that's because my eldest son persuaded me to bring forward my plans to demolish my old barn and build a new one, so now I have a new building to house my vehicles. I can't remember which were the last picture that I posted but the picture below is where I left the old girl 6 months ago before it was put outside under a sheet. The rear body frame is complete, the sides had been clad and the inner roof frame constructed.

Cladding the roof was the next job and this is a job that I dreamed of doing for all of the last 6 months. you can see the results so far below. I must admit that I am quite pleased with it.

regards,

Jonathan

[Bob Carriere]

Any chance that you took more pictures of the ongoing work on the rounded corners of the roof and close up of the finished product from both inside and outside...... and pictures of what you had to start with/from.

Thanks.... hoping to learn.

Bob C

[r.morrison]

Nice to see some postings Jonathan. Bob, I've sent Jonathan 12 Gazillion photos of my unit, plus measurements. I can only say from what Jonathan has sent back....man does really NICE work! I'll try giving you a call over the next couple of weekends Jonathan. Robert

[Jonathan Moore]

Hello Bob,

There are some pictures at the top of this thread and a description. That is, if you mean from the start of the project. If however, you mean what did I have to start with as far as the rear body and the roof, well then Nothing. The whole body has been constructed using the dimensions and photo's supplied by Robert Morrison, plenty of scaling and an in depth engineering knowledge. I can't thank Robert enough for his help. Its a shame but no one else seemed willing to supply any detailed information on line. There are plenty of photos of vehicles in bits on the forum but they are not detailed enough.

When I visited the War and Peace show in 2013, I measured a HUP that was in attendance and I couldn't find any problems so far.
I Have got a load of pictures of the body construction and a lot of dimensions so if you need any.

regards,

Jonathan

[8threcce]

Jonathan,

Find my restoration project ( HUM ) on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/ChevroletC8A

Regards

Pieter

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by 8threcce

Jonathan,

Find my restoration project ( HUM ) on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/ChevroletC8A

Regards

Pieter

Great way to share a project, please keep updating on MLU too.

By the way... your profile picture is not a HUM or a HUP but is an Australian CGT No8, and a really interesting photograph too, do you have a high resolution version?