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Old 12-11-12, 10:18
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A few more from an IWM collection showing a column of Brens with a universal leading after arriving in Crete. I like how the commanding officer seems to have the "new" universal and the rest of the unit have the older Brens. I've only included the shots showing the UC as the brens aren't in the caunter scheme. One of the ones you posted is the last in the series.

Your turn for some Scout shots now ;-)

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Old 12-11-12, 11:07
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Ben, Nice pics, more info attached, shame the original Caunter CARRIER paint drawing is not bigger for better detail.

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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 19-11-12, 20:36
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Hi, I have applied a coat of 'Portland stone' as the base coat to the 1941 carrier and have ordered the two contrasting colours ('silver grey' and 'slate')for the Caunter scheme as directed in Mike's book, I plan to do the 1940 Carrier in a base colour of 'Light Stone' and apply the same two contrasting colours over the top.

So both carriers in Caunter, one with Portaland stone base colour and the other in Light stone base colour. I think this would be correct, it's all pretty confusing reading up on this subject, I plan to study as many original Caunter carrier pictures as possible and draw up some lines on the carriers for painting.

Mike's book confuses me with the front on picture and the looking down picture, If you study the area of the front drivers wing in the pictures, they depict something different in each picture??????????.

Any comment or help appreciated.

You see Matilda tanks restored in Caunter with a striking pale blue in the colour scheme, I understand this was due to Airfix getting the paint code wrong in the instructions for early models and its stuck ever since?.

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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 20-11-12, 19:06
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Hi, What if I go for the Malta Camo Scheme?, over the Portland Stone?.

The Pattern

The pattern, which was only used in Malta, had two main variations;
Light vehicles, guns, generators, motorcycles, tanks, etc. which had an irregular outline were painted in a pattern resembling the rubble walls which bordered each and every field. This consisted of shapeless blotches of light stone paint, with a darker colour (dark green or dark brown mostly, but sometimes any dark shade available) between the blotches.

Larger vehicles, especially those that had a squarish outline had the stone-coloured paint applied in rectangular blocks to resemble walls of buildings. The darker colour would thus be in straight lines to mimic the mortar and the gaps between the blocks. These vehicles would be parked next to a farmhouse and camouflaged further to resemble an extension of the building.

If the vehicle to be painted was in light stone colour, the dark pattern only was applied.
If on the other hand it was in green or dark earth, the light stone blotches would be painted on, leaving the original colour showing between them. In this case the census ( or WD ) number would not be painted over, leaving a dark patch with the white numbers on it.

Sometimes it is possible to tell from photos how the pattern was applied. If the stones had rounded corners, the stone colour was probably applied over a dark background, whilst if they had sharp angular corners the dark paint was probably applied on a stone-coloured background.

For such a small country, Malta has an amazing wealth of history. Due to its geographical position, Malta’s importance in the battle for the Mediterranean and North Africa was inversely proportional to its size!
Malta was awarded the George Cross for not only enduring the heaviest bombing campaign of WW2, but also for taking the fight back to the enemy.

In such a scenario, camouflage was of vital importance for survival. For this reason a camouflage scheme was devised for Malta, and was applied to all equipment destined to be exposed to the enemy. All cars, trucks, motorcycles, field guns, tanks etc. were ‘given the treatment’. Even steel helmets were painted, and not only those used by the services but also those issued to the ARP, the Police, the Public Works, and others.The Painting

This would usually be done by hand, and various factors, such as the availability of paint in suitable colours, the ability of the individual entrusted with the job, and his interpretation of the official instructions would all be working against any uniformity of results.
The ‘rubble wall’ effect sometimes ended up resembling pebbles, while the building block pattern could give one the impression that the builder was completely ignorant of his trade! A wartime photo even shows a truck with the blocks painted in VERTICAL courses! Another photo shows square blocks placed in a grid pattern. So much for blending in with buildings…..

Smaller items were usually not camouflaged but only painted in light stone to show their military ownership. Bicycles, petrol cans, tools, etc. did not have enough area to take the camouflage pattern, so were just left in light stone colour.

In an effort to further improve the effect, sand was sometimes sprinkled over the freshly-painted surface, especially on steel helmets. This eliminated glinting in the harsh Mediterranean sun, which would often be enough to give away one’s position.

Many objects which would not usually be taken into the field would be left in their original paint, but if obtained from the North African theatre of operations they would invariably be in light stone (or sand, as it was called over there).

Many photos of anti-aircraft guns show that the pattern was not applied, possibly because it is difficult for a pilot not to spot a gun that happens to be firing away at him, even if it is camouflaged!
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.

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Old 20-11-12, 19:09
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 20-11-12, 20:20
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Malta. End of thread.
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Old 21-11-12, 06:00
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As I have an interest in early carriers, I'd be interested to learn more about your 1940 carrier.
Do you have a British built Universal?
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Old 08-09-13, 22:48
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Has anybody got pics of the desert sand/dark 'wave' cam on carriers? If Malta got on here....
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Old 13-09-13, 17:55
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Gents,

Roughed out the Caunter lines from studying original pictures, I will upload some more Caunter original ones when I get time, these colours are correct as matched with samples, Mike's book on Caunter pattern for the Dragon carrier does not match any Caunter carrier pic I have seen. This is what I have come up with after looking at over 50 Caunter carrier pics.

Comments and any more Caunter pics would be helpful.

kev.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.

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