permit for road travel?

[Robin Craig]

I would like to wade in and set the record straight.

As Greg has pointed out a "parade" is just that, the road is closed etc.

Otherwise NO.

Put it on a trailer.

It is not an agricultural vehicle.

It is not a "road building or maintenance vehicle".

You have no place or right being on the road.

Registration of a vehicle in the province of Ontario is a priviledge not a god given right.

I don't want to sound harsh but them is the facts.

I personally have looked at the Highway Traffic Act 14 ways to Sunday as I have the opportunity to drive
some much more suited vehicles for the road, ones with full lighting and turn signals and horn etc AND rubber pads in the track
which means the track itself doesn't bear on the road, but alas no.

I have driven a carrier on the road in Ottawa but for a parade so them is the breaks.

Let me ask you another question, if you did decide to flout the law and attempt to drive it down the street and there was an accident (let us assume not your fault) what would you say then when asked for ownership and insurance by the nice Mr Plod?


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[Ralph Volkert]

I dont suppose calling it an antique Ford snowmobile would help? Like an early Bombardier...

[Stew Robertson]

just about as warm

[RichCam]

Guys,

Thanks for all the information and discussion regarding insurance. Piper and I have opted for the "safe" version of trailer transporting the carrier to/from the Legion and the Canadian Tire parking lot. The loading, chaining and unloading process is going to be much more time consuming than the actual transit time. I do concur, trailering the carrier is wisest option - not the most spectacular.

Anyways, the weather forecast looks great, we should be able to get some nice pictures and we might be able to include a couple of the carrier in dark, with the lights on, when we tuck it back into it's enclosure after the outing ends at 9pm.

Regards, Richard

[Hans Mulder]

The last option is to get the plates as suggested as a vintage vehicle (or even get a temporary operating permit) provided you just give the basic info (year, make, model, VIN/serial: 194X, Ford Motor Company, Universal Carrier, Serial: CT123456) without mentioning it is a tracked vehicle.

[Jack Innes]

Robin makes some very valid points which should be heeded.

It should also me mentioned that a carrier on smooth pavement is very easily put out of control - not the best thing in close proximity to a parade. The details are a little foggy but I think what became the last use of a carrier on public pavement by the active military ended up with said carrier pinwheeling well into someone's living room on Avenue Rd. In Toronto.

While the tracks are unlikely to harm the pavement, they will, in most cases, leave white marks that are likely to draw the attention of some whiners.

I think the only legitimate registration in Ontario would be as an ATV like many of the Iltis vehicles came with. A viable precedent has been set there. This could allow an insurance policy that would not vaporize as soon as you were in trouble & the Insurance people saw a way out in that you misrepresented the vehicle. There are limitations on the use of an ATV on the road though.

Another point to consider is that once it has an Ontario title the 13% HST will apply when you register it and again if you sell it.

( My only defense here is that my wet blanket is green!)

[Robin Craig]

In Ontario, if you have an ATV registration, unless your municipality permits it, an ATV can not be driven on the road. An ATV under the highway traffic act is defined as a vehicle that one sits "astride" of.

The humble Carrier fails that litmus test, so does a Kawasaki Mule. We have protested with the Plod that a Mule loaded with fence posts and fence wire and an SMV sign owned and operated by a registered farm is an implement of husbandry. They say NO.

We got popped for that one. No ticket but stern warning. We are trying to get the Ontario Federation of Agriculture to have this changed.

R