CMP Ford F60S

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

I agree with Bob about about trying to haul 4 or 5 tons on a F60s, I have both a long and a short C60. I've towed 3-4 tons with the C60S and the with the short wheelbase it gets squirrelly towing 3 tons and only 10000 lbs on the 134 wb particularly when you hit the brakes above 30 mph. The 134 inch wheelbase tends to be lively at highway speed anyway. Up engining to give the C60S a 160 hp lets you get up to speed and pull hills good even with a gross vehicle weight of 10000 lbs add 6200 lbs in tow and it is back to feeling like an fully loaded truck with the 216 engine. Read that as slow.

The brakes on a C60S with the big drums are good, same as Ford as they are Ford brakes, booster works good and will lock up all 4 wheels at 30 MPH not a good feeling with the Non-directional tires but it will do it.

I've tried carrying 3 tons of wood in the 1941 C60L 158 inch wheel base with the 216 engine and it is stable but slow and with the smaller brake drums it is under braked unless the brakes are adjusted right on.

Only you can decide how far how often and over what roads you would be towing or carrying a full load. No question at all that F60 and C60 routinely carry loads of 3-4-5 tons on the road in their cargo roll. But that was 60+ years ago at road speeds lower than today and with other drivers who understood that you didn't cutoff a fully loaded truck and expect it not to run them over.

But having said all that it would make a classy looking haul a CMP with a Carrier in the bed or in tow.

Get the F60s as a support vehicle it looks like a good one.

Cheers Phil

[RichCam]

Guys,

Thanks for all of your positive comments and questions. I currently drive a 2009 F550 dually and I hear you all about the necessity of good (serious) brakes and a big enough engine to haul you out of a tight spot when you need it. I will look at a trailer AFTER we get the F60S running.
I checked the data plate before I left work today. It was manufactured Jan. 5th, 1941, Serial # 25938, Motor 3G-7408-F. I crawled underneath it, being in my warehouse, it wasn't an issue. It looked to have a winch plate mounted part way down the frame, just past the split differential. Hoist equipment looks original. Does it use the power take off to power the hydraulic pump? As well, the box bottom, sides and rear gate are all wood. Roof panels are solid and flat, no hatches. It did come with an engine crank handle and rifle bracket in the cab. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. We will be bringing inside the workshop sometime in the next two weeks. Warehouse is ok for storage but its getting cold out there.
Regards, Richard.

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Richard

Don't be mislead by the winch crossmember mounting plates........all CMPs have them. The winch mounting crossmember was a factory stock issue rivetted in place when the frame was done. Those destined to have a winch were then ready for installation.

If you rtruck was an original tipper..... the hydraulic pump was probably driven by the PTO at the back of the transfer case. The same location that would have powered the winch .........tippers would not have winch and lifting device for the dump box....

That truck looks very straight and worth every effort to restore it to its former glory.

Don't forget the pictures as most of us are illeterate and love/need to see nice pictures.

Bob C

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Hi Richard

Don't be mislead by the winch crossmember mounting plates........all CMPs have them. The winch mounting crossmember was a factory stock issue rivetted in place when the frame was done. Those destined to have a winch were then ready for installation.

Bob C

Only Chev chassis came with the winch cross member. Fords did not unless factory equipped with a winch.

and from Richard:

It was manufactured Jan. 5th, 1941, Serial # 25938, Motor 3G-7408-F.

I'm inclined to think the year date may be a mis-strike. The engine number indicates a 1942 build. I don't think even the cab 13 prototype had been built by January 1941.

[Bob Carriere]

..... to the Ford X-Purt ...........

My experience is limited due to my sheltered life as a devout Chebby Lover !!!!!!

....on the ID plate....could the 41 be actually a 44...?

Will need to crawl under the 42 F15a to see the difference.... once the ground is dry !!!!!

Very early pilots cab 13.....and HUP were around late 41(Dec) or January 42..... but I stand to be corrected again....

Bob

[Ryan]

Hi Bob, have a look here at this thread:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=12724

[Grant Bowker]

As far as I know, all CMP dump bodies were hydraulically powered from the PTO (the transfer case PTO, not the transmission). This means that it is unlikely that there were any dump trucks equipped with a winch. (for the same reason - transfer case PTO already used for the 2nd rear axle - I haven't seen any listings for C60-X with a winch) This makes sense on another level - the electrical system on all trucks of the era, not just CMPs, didn't have the capacity of modern trucks to support loads like winches or snow plows and electric motors also were larger, heavier and I think less efficient due to advances in magnet technology. I think they would have preferred hydraulic over electric for applications that might get wet.