Chevrolet 1533X2 30-cwt trucks

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by cliff

The fenders were cut out to give the larger sand tyres more room.

If you got to here http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/MrRoo_2006/ you will see some of my models including some adaptions of the Tamiya Chev kit in 'sub albums on the Right Hand Side along with a few oddball CMP models. You will see how the guards are cut out there.

WOW, Thanks a lot for many pics to study!
I scratchbuilt chevy and Timken rear axles, too, for 1/43 projects.

Here, part of my 1/43 military diecast collection, including the chevy building:
http://rcforum.ru/album.php?u=25356

I studied the available pictures of the LRDG trucks, but they not seem to have too big wheel openings, as seen on some other similar chevy trucks. The LRDG fenders look modified: shorter and wider, like seen at the first picture attached - the side steps shape indicates the oversized fenders, to compare to civil models, although this is not exactly LRDG, but at the second picture, the similar truck is described as 1533x2… is this correct description? Very interested, the total width of these fenders.

[Kuno]

Originally Posted by Igor Shadrin

WOW, Thanks a lot for many pics to study!
I scratchbuilt chevy and Timken rear axles, too, for 1/43 projects.

Here, part of my 1/43 military diecast collection, including the chevy building:
http://rcforum.ru/album.php?u=25356

I studied the available pictures of the LRDG trucks, but they not seem to have too big wheel openings, as seen on some other similar chevy trucks. The LRDG fenders look modified: shorter and wider, like seen at the first picture attached - the side steps shape indicates the oversized fenders, to compare to civil models, although this is not exactly LRDG, but at the second picture, the similar truck is described as 1533x2… is this correct description? Very interested, the total width of these fenders.

Hi Igor:

The Chevrolet wreck lying in the desert of Egypt was most probably used by the SDF (Sudan Defence Force) but it is not an LRDG truck.

The other Chevrolet shown on your B/W photos was originally used by the Free French. The caption is totally wrong.

[cletrac (RIP)]

I'm pretty sure the fenders are all the same basic stamping with different size wheel cutouts. The military fenders look wider because the front bumper is mounted several inches higher than the civvy ones. If you compare the fender width to the number of grille bars they're all the same.

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by cletrac

I'm pretty sure the fenders are all the same basic stamping with different size wheel cutouts. The military fenders look wider because the front bumper is mounted several inches higher than the civvy ones. If you compare the fender width to the number of grille bars they're all the same.

David, thanks, I will keep with this point about the width (it is 72 9/6”, for the whole ’41 US built commercial range, acc. to the dealers book).
Although, if to compare the two pics, it is still not clear, even considering the different camera angles.
The side profiles show the significant difference in the aft end location, between LRDG pattern (fwd from the door cut), and the whole commercial range, which had all the same fenders, from pickup to heavy duty trucks.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Igor Shadrin

The side profiles show the significant difference in the aft end location, between LRDG pattern (fwd from the door cut), and the whole commercial range, which had all the same fenders, from pickup to heavy duty trucks.

the door on the closed cab was angled on the hinge side as was the cowl of the closed cab to suit the door. The other LRDG Chev Truck is a 'flat' faced cowl and the area where the door hinges would normally be is straight up and down so this is why the guard ends further forward. The dash was completely different between the Flat Face cowl and closed cab as well.

[Kuno]

@ Tony: I actually did not want to suggest that the widening was done by the troops - but I presumed that it was done in local (Egyptian) workshops for the early Chevrolet WA used by the LRDG. So; this was wrong as well - many thanks for that clarification.

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by cliff

the door on the closed cab was angled on the hinge side as was the cowl of the closed cab to suit the door. The other LRDG Chev Truck is a 'flat' faced cowl and the area where the door hinges would normally be is straight up and down so this is why the guard ends further forward. The dash was completely different between the Flat Face cowl and closed cab as well.

Just today, finally, I cleared the mystery, why fenders do look shorter
Yes, they are the same length, but... higher, or deeper. I outlined the most convenient picture, from the IWM, and mirrored it for more usual direction, and copied the outlined results on another pics. All the same!:

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Igor Shadrin

I outlined the most convenient picture, from the IWM, ...

While undoubtably the wheel openings are larger, I think the stampings used on the guards are also different. Compare the slope of the front of the guard under the headlight, and also the slope at the very rear of the guard:

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by Kuno

Hi Igor:

The Chevrolet wreck lying in the desert of Egypt was most probably used by the SDF (Sudan Defence Force) but it is not an LRDG truck.

The other Chevrolet shown on your B/W photos was originally used by the Free French. The caption is totally wrong.

Hi Kuno,
Many thanks for the important notes!!! Appreciate any information.

[Kuno]

Igor; the fenders of the trucks used by the LRDG and as well those used by the Free French were widened by approx. 11 cm to accommodate the sand tires. They cut the fenders in the longitudinal direction and added a stripe of sheet metal then.

I have measured it myself at te fender of an LRDG Chevy 30cwt WA at 'Jebel Sherif' and I have seen the same "widenings" at a French wreck and also at the SDF wreck in the Egyptian desert (the one you have presented above).

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Kuno

Igor; the fenders of the trucks used by the LRDG and as well those used by the Free French were widened by approx. 11 cm to accommodate the sand tires. They cut the fenders in the longitudinal direction and added a stripe of sheet metal then.

I have measured it myself at the fender of an LRDG Chevy 30cwt WA at 'Jebel Sherif' and I have seen the same "widenings" at a French wreck and also at the SDF wreck in the Egyptian desert (the one you have presented above).

They were widened by 4in (104mm), and it was a factory modification for use with 10.50 wide tyres (on 16", 18" or 20" rims) as per the WD specification, not as your post suggests modified by the troops themselves. I attach two Ford Canada factory pics of a regular C21T cab for 7.50-20 tyres, and an MCP cab, and 2 GM Canada pics of the standard guards for 7.50-20 tyres and the guards for 10.50 tyres.

The spacers to widen the guards are one of the ID hallmarks of an MCP truck.

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

They were widened by 4in (104mm), and it was a factory modification for use with 10.50 wide tyres (on 16", 18" or 20" rims) as per the WD specification,
The spacers to widen the guards are one of the ID hallmarks of an MCP truck.

Tony, thanks for detailed description and nice illustrations!

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by Kuno

Igor; the fenders of the trucks used by the LRDG and as well those used by the Free French were widened by approx. 11 cm to accommodate the sand tires. They cut the fenders in the longitudinal direction and added a stripe of sheet metal then.

I have measured it myself at te fender of an LRDG Chevy 30cwt WA at 'Jebel Sherif' and I have seen the same "widenings" at a French wreck and also at the SDF wreck in the Egyptian desert (the one you have presented above).

Kuno, thanks a lot! Now it is clear, the fenders were modified.
10" - were for each side, or totally?

Wish to see these wreckages... Are they too far from any local cities?

[Kuno]

Originally Posted by Igor Shadrin

10" - were for each side, or totally?

Igor, centimeters - not inch. 10,4cm each side.

[Igor Shadrin]

Originally Posted by Kuno

Igor, centimeters - not inch. 10,4cm each side.

Kuno, yes, my fault
The total width by fenders is seems to be 80 9/6".